If it makes you guys feel any better, we have the wheels in motion to get a BriSkoda sponsorship sorted, just emailing Jason about it now.

Nice try PastyBoy ;-)

We are going to do a nice package deal for BriSkoda and SeatCupra.net members as well. Keep your eyes peeled for that!

`i believe I speak for many members on Briskoda when I say... "please keep up updated!"

Was waiting for a post like this to come along…

“Dean knew who we used for some of our fabrication work, and must have decided to cut us out of the picture………………..

We used this particular fabricator for 1 Manifold and some flanges. All the flanges were all bent and the manifold had very poor welding, so we decided not to use him again. Since then we have heard some horror stories of the manifolds he makes breaking and poor customer service etc.”

The manifold fabricator in question is Ricky from Race Tech. Known the world over in Honda circles and his company has made and sold countless turbo manifolds for various makes and models of very high end big power cars. I already knew Ricky and the quality of his work, as I have had two civic turbos with his work sitting proudly in the engine bay doing exactly what they were designed and made to do with no problems at all. I also know a lot of people who run and swear by race tech gear. A link for those who do not know this company: http://www.race-tech.net/

“Since we declined to help Dean with the website (why should we help someone set up a business?), he seems to have took it upon himself to use all of our information as his own.”

All of the information on our site is openly available on the internet. As we are selling a similar turbo kit to your own, then the details will obviously be similar too.

“We fitted that kit with our own bare hands as well as doing all the tuning, it was one of the first we did. Karl, Dean’s brother bought it from the customer we did all the work for (Luke) and now they are passing it off as their work!”

This is simply not true! Your kit was removed from the car almost immediately after we got it home. We bought the fabia, as it worked out a cheap base car when we factored in all the supporting mods (clutch/flywheel, miltek exhaust, intercooler, big brakes) and selling you kit on to reclaim some of the cost. Our first kit was designed and most of the way through being built when we bought the fabia. It was being made to go onto my seat Ibiza pd130 but as the car had a previous revo remap, we couldn’t get into the ecu with the powergate computer we bought from you (which you sold to us knowing we were going to use it to make a profit using it and that wasn’t a problem for you). Just because our kit uses the same turbo as yours doesn’t mean it’s a copy. It means it’s “inspired by” yours. A scan through google shows that this turbo is being used on vag tdi conversions all over the place not using your kit. The only bit we have copied is the part number. Below you will see two photos which I took in the brief time that the two turbo kits were side by side on the swap over.

You will notice how our manifold is a lot shorter to help keep the manifold away from the back of the engine bay and prevent damage to pipes and wiring by the heat (something which had already been an issue on the fabia). Also note that our downpipe, is 2.5” all the way through, which will help with a smoother transition into the miltek (or any other 2.5”) exhaust causing less of a heat spot at the end of the downpipe. This is not a copy, these are redesigned components. The fact that we are building kits for the same cars, again, means that the products will look similar in key areas.

“They are also claiming 328bhp at the flywheel with a set of Firad 80% Injectors. I have no doubt the Injectors will do that power, but there is no way the stock head and camshaft will flow that amount of power, no matter how much fuel, NOS, Water/Meth or fairy dust you pile in there.”

That is the power it made on the dyno. Again, this was done on racetech’s dyno. This was on a very smoky map which will be reserved for track use and is undoubtably pushing everything to its limits. How can we test these things if we don’t push them?

I don’t intend to get into a slanging match on this matter and I have never said a bad word about you guys at Darkside. The quality of your kit is top notch (as is ours ) and your success proves this. I hope this has helped to dispel a couple of myths floating about right now. This will be the last I post on this subject.

Cheers,

Dean

Hi Dean,

Was hoping you would reply. You were expecting this, guilty conscience?

People will believe what they want to believe, no matter what you or I say, but its a very strange coincidence that you buy a car with our Turbo Kit on, and then all of a sudden you have your own turbo kit. I am sure there were just as well spec’d up cars for less money that didn't have a turbo kit already fitted.

The main point is you sent over 200 emails asking everything you could about diesel tuning, on the basis that you were going to be one of our dealers. We told you information we would not usually give so freely to a competitor. You didn’t even have the decency to let us know you were going on your own, and even continued to email afterwards.

That manifold is the design Ricky did for us when we had the one manifold from him, super short with 45 degree bends for the collector, not very good for flow or Exhaust Gas Temperatures.

We have 70 of the kits all over the world, in various applications with no issues, so I think we would know by now if there were any. When Luke first bought the kit, we had a longer manifold that touched the A/C Pipes slightly, so we brought his car up to our workshop and completely redesigned the manifold so it was nowhere near any of the wires (what wires?) and A/c pipes. We even drove down on a Sunday morning when he was fitting it with his Dad to look at the issues in person.

Your Turbo kit listing is basically a copy and paste of ours, even Stevie Wonder can see that.

Heat spots on the 3" to 2.5" reducer for the Downpipe? Do you have any evidence or studies to back this up? Considering the exhaust temperature will be pretty low by the end of the downpipe, I think you have solved a problem that does not exist.

So you believe the 328bhp from the over reading Race-Tech dyno? I don’t care how much fuel you have put in that and how much it smokes, the cam and head WILL NOT flow 328bhp without major work. Maybe to the less educated crowd it seems viable, but you lose all credibility to the educated customers with wild claims like that. I will pay for a dyno run on any that we have run our cars on to prove this.

We have run our cars on loads of Dynos and the only graphs we post up are the ones that make sense. Any from the DynoDynamics we use are the lowest we ever had. Not many tuning companies would post up the lowest figures they have achieved would they?

We sell ourselves short on the power figures, but that’s why we have Race Teams, Custom Car Builders and Tuning companies all over the world selling and using our products.

I have no problem with competition; competition is good for customers and breeds creativity. What I don’t like is someone back stabbing, copying and passing off our products, knowledge and information as their own.

I can sleep soundly knowing I have not made anything up. I have all the emails to prove it.

Thanks

Scott

Oh, and I thought you told Ryan that the Civic that Ricky built for you blew up after about 8 hours?

I'm gunna sound like I'm on my high horse here (and maybe I am) but while I understand feelings are running high I don't think sour grapes and slagging it out in public is helping anyone.

I know it's hard to do but:

Scott - Chalk this one up to experience and move on.

Dean - Justify your actions however you need to and also move on.

If the 2 companies compete in the appropriate way to supply excellent products, great customer service, and fantastic pricing the best company will rise to the top and punters will decide with their feet, cars and wallets.

I'm sure that'd do much more for both companies than becoming the "fantastic winner of the who was right competition"

If you need my help further I own 2 Fabia VRS's!

I'll happily give one to each company put whatever kit you want on it and I could give the ultimate review/comparison of both products

If you need my help further I own 2 Fabia VRS's!

I'll happily give one to each company put whatever kit you want on it and I could give the ultimate review/comparison of both products

Still trying eh Cliff

Still trying eh Cliff

Never hurts to ask Garry