The 7 speed box is dry. So its highly unlikely it needs servicing.But as always,one could be wrong.

Sorry to put the cat among the pigeons but as rehearsed here many, many times with adulation by owners, why not get the 160 hp 1.8 tsi with dsg if you can lay your hands on one. Turbo lag is not present because of the power of the engine and 0-62 in 7.8 secs is faster then the manual 1.8 tsi.

Yeah the 1.8 tsi seems to be a lovely car alright and gets high praise.

At the end of the day if you start thinking about everything that could go wrong and how much it will cost you can easily talk yourself out of buying any car.

Don't know the real costs but you get the idea -

DSG - new mechatronic unit - £2000

Turbo can fail - £1500 repair if it doesn't take the engine with it.

DPF - another £1500

DMF - £1000

Fabia VRs 1.4's "all" burn vast quantities of oil and need new engines after a few thousand miles

etc, etc, etc

If you look through the pages of this forum you will scare yourself out of buying anything. The number of posts where folk are reporting problems will always be disproportionate. Wish I could find the quote to properly acknowledge it but someone on here put it brilliantly well:

Looking on a forum like Briskoda to determine how reliable a car is, is like walking into a hospital and concluding that humanity is doomed 'cos everyone is seriously ill.

I have done 24k trouble free miles in 2yrs with this 1.8TSi DSG Octavia Elegance and I love driving it so much that I regularly add a 30 mile detour to my 8 mile commute just to drive it more. If I can afford it (not a foregone conclusion!) my next car will be another DSG to the point where I will drop a level (maybe even 2) on spec to have another.

Do the tsi engines have a DMF and DPF ?

The 1.8 tsi sounds like a very good car but there are literally NONE for sale in Ireland.

The 7 speed box is dry. So its highly unlikely it needs servicing.But as always,one could be wrong.

Sure, the (external) clutch pack is dry - similar materials to conventional manual gearbox clutch plates - as opposed to (internal) multiplate wet clutches that run in oil.

But the rest of the gearbox has oil - just like any ordinary gearbox - and the gear selector actuators and mechatronic unit are hydraulically powered from the gearbox's in-built pump plus a fine filter to protect the delicate electrohydraulics.

I've had a 1.4 with 7 speed DSG from new (July 2010) and done 51k miles without fault or service (its on long service intervals). It doesn't require the oil change that the 6 speed needs every 40K.

Obviously its a bit different to a conventional slush box but its so refined compared to a manual box. I have paddles too which add an extra dimension. I also left foot brake (always have with autos) which I think is worth adopting if you're going to be committed auto user.

Its probably a bit sad but I've been keeping note of the mpg over the life of ther car. I get between 37 and 42 mpg brim to brim but I've slowed down: I don't drive with my pants on fire any more. I just drive quickly on rural routes and 70-75 on M ways. I use cruise control a LOT (bit of a debate on this forum whether you should for best mpg) but turn it off when going down long steep hills.

You notice the lack of torque if you've come from diesel world but, to make up, you also note (with pleasure) that a modern petrol engine is a million times more refined than a diesel and there's none of that vibration through the gearstick, bulhead, steering wheel etc. No awful rattling on start-up either. Or smoke.

And the front end feels so much lighter. It changes direction quicker. The car I had before was a 2litre PD Octavia DSG and that fact was a revelation.

But don't think its going to be slow: the car is perfectly able to keep up. I think the 0-60 is simillar to the 2 litre diesel. You just won't be able to tow a caravan!

dill

Sure, the (external) clutch pack is dry - similar materials to conventional manual gearbox clutch plates - as opposed to (internal) multiplate wet clutches that run in oil.

But the rest of the gearbox has oil - just like any ordinary gearbox - and the gear selector actuators and mechatronic unit are hydraulically powered from the gearbox's in-built pump plus a fine filter to protect the delicate electrohydraulics.

Ok. Thanks for that but what does all this mean in regard to service intervals.

Does the 7 speed DSG box need a service at any stage ?

Edited 1 December, 201213 yr by obi604

from an austrialian forum:-

The 7 spd gear oil is not scheduled, not even under harsh operating conditions (short trips, stationary city traffic etc.) ....... Oil and filter is only the 6 spd.

VAG Maintenance Manual

Time or distance dependent additional work ........................... Interval

Dual clutch gearbox (DSG) 02E: Renew gear oil and filter .............. Every 60,000 km

• Not valid for 7-speed dual clutch gearbox 0AM

And there is nothing specific in the Workshop Manual for extra scheduled activities on 7 spd..

from VW page on DSG

DSG 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox

Our 7-speed DSG dual-clutch gearbox was a world first. What makes it so innovative is its pair of dry clutches which have dispensed with the need for the oil bath of conventional 'wet' clutches. They have been designed to improve fuel efficiency and driving agility further.

The clutches' dry, organic-bonded friction linings need no cooling. The gearbox is also very compact and requires less power for the gear selection and clutch servo system.

Ideal for motorway driving

Adopting 7 speeds meant our engineers could lower 1st gear to improve acceleration from standstill and raise 7th gear to act as an overdrive function, ideal for motorway driving. This can save fuel, cut emissions, and means the car runs even more quietly.

Oil volume cut by 75 per cent

The volume of oil in the gearbox has been cut by 75 per cent. Oil circuits are split into two in an effort to protect purity. As with a conventional manual gearbox, one circuit is used for cooling and lubrication of the gear teeth, the second feeds oil to the gear actuators. Since the clutch does not need cooling the quantity of oil has reduced from 7 litres in the 6-speed DSG 'box to just 1.7-litres in the 7-speed system. The result: improved efficiency rating for the gearbox and lower fuel consumption.

Edited 1 December, 201213 yr by xman

Thanks for taking the time to get that information Xman.

So to sum up -- the 7 speed DSG does not have any recommended service intervals.

Are the DSG boxes installed in Skodas the

same as the DSG boxes installed in Volkswagens ?

Edited 1 December, 201213 yr by obi604

yes

Ordrinarily, Do petrol Skoda cars ( or even VAG petrol cars for that matter ) have a Dual Mass Flywheel ?

Ordrinarily, Do petrol Skoda cars ( or even VAG petrol cars for that matter ) have a Dual Mass Flywheel ?

Yes, most do. Only the 1.2 TSi doesnt as far as i've seen

Yes, most do. Only the 1.2 TSi doesnt as far as i've seen

Thanks. ****e, I thought only diesel cars had DMFs, shows how much I know.

Yes, most do. Only the 1.2 TSi doesnt as far as i've seen

Are Dual Mass Flywheels installed in both manual and automatic/DSG cars ?

Are Dual Mass Flywheels installed in both manual and automatic/DSG cars ?

Anyone ?

Edited 3 December, 201213 yr by obi604

Some DSG's have DMF's but I can't confirm if all of them do.