Wasn't there an initiative, I think originating in Germany, where a group was supposed to be buying small telecom satellites in order to create an independent and un-policeable alternative to internet. It was based on something to do with space not being under anybody's jurysdiction or something?

Once again super rich commercial organisations bullying the little people using their army of lawyers...

I was gobsmacked when somebody told me that apple is currently sitting on £80billion cash due to tax reasons and they are not able to spend it - this is enough to buy, and I mean buy and own, a country like Greece... What is is to them to throw hundred of millions at anybody they do not like and drown them under a mountain of court cases? Wouldn't even notice a small dent of few hundred millions...

It it is utterly disgusting with that Data Bill. We have fake democracy and we will have openly totalitarian internet...

While we at it, what are you using to hide yourself from prying eyes on the world wide web?

While we at it, what are you using to hide yourself from prying eyes on the world wide web?

If we told you then everyone would be doing it

This chap talks some sense...

Painting a bull-eye on your forehead. Plus watching patterns.

So you are still thinking of buying into a proxy or VPN service.. Assuming you have fixed all your own local security issues.

Does hiding from your local ISP really help you? Nope! Not really.

By attaching yourself to a Proxy or VPN sitting in the middle of the Internet, theoretically the ISP cannot see where your real destination is. If using a VPN type connection, your outgoing traffic is encrypted so theoretically not even network monitoring can see the actual data you are receiving.

But consider for a moment these small points from a born geek and someone that has spent a lifetime both troubleshooting network protocols, and detecting patterns in data.

Imagine that YOU are the ISP, the transporter of all your network traffic, seeing these things:

1. The bad proxies and VPN companies are very well known entities. So when you connect to a known bad network or service, known for hiding criminal or other “bad activities”, what would YOUR first thought be? If I was someone monitoring ISP traffic, mine would be That person is up to no good. Lets turn on the monitoring….
   It is like painting a big red bulls-eye on your forehead.
   
2. When your PC magically in bursts download a lot of files that matches in size with music files, what would you suppose the conclusion would be?
   
3. When you are downloading magic gigabyte size files through that “secure” connection, what would you conclude as a monitoring person? Movies maybe?
   
4. Your connection is making a lot of connections, but is posting data in quite specific patterns. Such as when posting Spam comments on forums or Blogs. A real user would typically need to know what they comment on. A spammer bot does not, and such can become quite recognizable.
   

Also, your VPN or Proxy vendor to protect themselves from the worst abusers often keep connection logs.

Such was the case in 2011, when the hacker group LulzSec used HideMyAss services to hide their activities. The FBI and local UK courts showed up with a court order to get the logs, which was promptly turned over by HMA.

Your VPN/Proxy service has no plans to go to jail to protect you.

Plus finally, think about simple pattern matching. The act of matching up connectivity logs, sizes, and time-stamps from a remote web-server that has been abused, pushed off stolen content, or hacked into, with the connectivity logs of your Internet use. A fairly simple piece of software can do it.

If I had the logs from both the ISP (running blind) and the remote server, you can bet your sweet Bibby, that I could tell pretty accurately, which illegal movies you were downloading and when.

Are YOU still out looking for a VPN/Proxy service?

If your answer is yes, I can guess what you are up to.

I Will ask ou a question.

Can You which part of a 18MVA data centre is mine? How much do you think it would cost to hire small data streaming capacity in CoLo DC's across the globe? Why on earth would I want to slurp down the whole thing in one chunk - widely distributed P2P is much better me thinks.

Anyways, I am probably talking out of my ar$e anyways lol.

Last time we had a movie night with friends they thought I was trying to organise ad hoc SciFi films garage sale having seen towers of film boxes. I love obscure class E SciFi flicks . Don't suppose you know any torrent sites specialising in them ?

While we at it, what are you using to hide yourself from prying eyes on the world wide web?

If we told you then everyone would be doing it

Why make the txt so small?

I've no idea what it's about?

Newsgroups have uses other than just warez.

Shame the media boys can't realise that.

Unless I'm missing something (possible), no one is actually trying to close newsgroups as a protocol? They're just trying to:

a) have articles which contain binary-encoded copyrighted content removed under the DMCA while leaving genuine usenet content

close down sites which "enable" the downloader to find this stuff easily

The Pirate Bay didn't host any content themselves, and didn't take part in distribution, they were merely an "enabler" to make existing content easier to find. Isn't this the same thing but a different protocol?

Any site infringing copyright is bound to get shutdown. or be a target for law enforcement, I don't have an issue with that, but they are breaking the law and potentially expect to get into trouble for doing so.

I don't personally have a huge problem with people stealing copyrighted material but if everyone did it, we would have no film or music industry.

Isn't the idea behind a seebox/VPN to get data when it's recognisable outside the legal domain that you are worried about?

We have this current problem in NZ, nicknamed "skynet law" because that's as much as our politicians know about the internet. Essentially the media sharks troll torrents and pick up the IP addresses of anyone up/downloading. It is these IP addresses they send infringement notices for.

It appears anything beyond monitoring torrents is beyond the ability of these clowns. As a result people who download beiber/rihanna tracks are getting notices. Those pulling down gigabytes a night aren't trackable.

Isn't the idea behind a seebox/VPN to get data when it's recognisable outside the legal domain that you are worried about?

We have this current problem in NZ, nicknamed "skynet law" because that's as much as our politicians know about the internet. Essentially the media sharks troll torrents and pick up the IP addresses of anyone up/downloading. It is these IP addresses they send infringement notices for.

It appears anything beyond monitoring torrents is beyond the ability of these clowns. As a result people who download beiber/rihanna tracks are getting notices. Those pulling down gigabytes a night aren't trackable.

I thought this was happening all around the world? One way to stop this is as mentioned above - Use a proxy.

Simples, download as much as you want, listen, the ones you want to listen to again purchase the rest erase - called try before you buy .

So, just an act of connecting to a questionable service and downloading something (if through proxy/vpn no proof of what it really is exists) is criminal?!? is it the same as possession of stolen goods? Wouldn't they have to find those stolen goods on your PC/Apple first?

I remeber people chucking their office puters out of windows when copyright police arrived lol.

Simples, download as much as you want, listen, the ones you want to listen to again purchase the rest erase - called try before you buy .

I agree, you wonder into any shop and they are forcing music into your ears to try and entice you to buy the album yet someone actively searching

for something to download that is more likely to be to your taste to test before you buy is different?

I remeber people chucking their office puters out of windows when copyright police arrived lol.

They play golf in the office?

They play golf in the office?

You'd need a pretty hefty club to launch that monitor and midi tower through a window

Edited 12 December, 201213 yr by Jabozuma

I don't personally have a huge problem with people stealing copyrighted material but if everyone did it, we would have no film or music industry.

This is all very nice to think however the fault lies with the fat cat studio bosses. The amount of music / Video downloaded legally must be dwarfed by the number of people who don't pay. If the artist got a more significant portion of the selling price and the total selling price was reduced then more people would legally buy the product the artists would get just as rich and the fat cats at the top would get about the same net profit as it would be higher volume but less profit margin. However they are greedy and continue to squeeze the artist and rince the audience so i will continue to download and test then when something i like comes on offer at say 1/4 of the rrp price i buy it. Why? Because its still nice to have a hard copy with artwork. There is still something viseral about putting a spinning disc in a machine.

Not for long mate, not for long. They do not hold the keys to the only distribution channels available these days and plenty people release their own recordings or other original work. Music industry is the one of exploitation, not much different psychologically to prostitution :(

I haven't used or bought a music CD for about 4 years. Flash drive in the car, everything else on hard drives at home.

I haven't used or bought a music CD for about 4 years. Flash drive in the car, everything else on hard drives at home.

MP3's are also under iron boot of "Labels". I am talking about producing your own music (or any other original material) yourself and selling it yourself without giving away 80% of the end user price to Simon Cowel etc.

I know this I'm just stating a fact that's all

I know this I'm just stating a fact that's all

No worries . I cannot remember when I bought my last CD - still buying bluray on discs though

Boooooooo!

and I'd only just got into using nzbs rather than torrents cos my torrent download speed was so poor cos of my ISP

God damn it

Be interested to see if any other nzb search sites pop up or whether I'm gunna have to go back to taking longer to download content than it does to watch/listen to it :(

There are already other indexers, and other news providers who don't respond automatically to DMCA takedown requests. I haven't figured out which is best yet as I only really used it for one thing which is currently off-air, my plans are to see what Sickbeard et al adopt as their "preferred" selection and then use those.

Wow, so I just read all 3 pages of this thread and understood about 20% of it. I'm 23 and thought I understood how to use the internet!

Its not that hard to understand bud... Basically NZbmatrix (The back end) sat trawling the internet for media all day long - When found it would push this to the website you would then have the option to download the NZB (the URL of the file is inside the NZB)

Wow, so I just read all 3 pages of this thread and understood about 20% of it. I'm 23 and thought I understood how to use the internet!

See here for more info

Essentially an NZB is a file which puts processes into play which grab parts of media files to make downloading faster.

Imagine downloading 200 x 1MB files from 200 places and sticking them all together to make up the final document rather than downloading a 200MB file from 1 person.

nzbmatrix was a website which found the nzb files (which in turn did the finding of parts for you) and made them searchable

Due to copyright issues they closed.

This means millions of (mostly illegal) downloaders have to find another way of getting the latest movies and tv programmes for free.

Essentially think of it as the closing of Napster but a few years later