Even the guilt part?

 

Yup.  We all live and balance our lives differently.  So a thief has far less guilt about many things I would have.  And my first guilt post was just my view on why I found the space for two sets of tyres.  Lady Luck might have other ideas (as you said) but that has nothing to do with guilt, if you were able to avoid her...

^ Storage needed only for 1 set of rims/tyres or have you the third 'Back to the Future' option? in which case the other 2 are superfluous, my experience with strange brand winters, gave a brilliant performance, needed to leave my mothers house earlier this year to catch a ferry to return 'la france', a 1/4 mile 30' incline to 'escape' her clutches, 4" snow no probs, my view, well worth the expense, bought complete(rims/tyres etc) via My tyres dot com, less than £100/corner, tyre a chinese not recognised variety - my idea was to replace with a more recognisable tyre, but those fitted are wearing extremely well!

I seem to remember a tyre test (but cannot find at the moment) whereby one of the very latest Winter tyres acquited itself very well in warm, dry conditions for handling, braking etc against summer tyres. Maybe it is the latest Michelin Alpin, not sure. I remember reading at the time that it would be a better all seasons tyre than the all seasons tyres.

Its also worth bearing in mind that good modern winter tyres are better in the warm and dry than this fad of low rolling resistance eco tyres.

 

Which can be equated to premium ditch finders.

Its also worth bearing in mind that good modern winter tyres are better in the warm and dry than this fad of low rolling resistance eco tyres.

 

Which can be equated to premium ditch finders.

Excellent point. Eco tyres also have a habit of blowing out even after relatively minor sidewall impacts. 

 

If you look at a lot of the tests, winter tyres also come out as quieter than a lot of the summer tyres, a big bonus for me.

Excellent point. Eco tyres also have a habit of blowing out even after relatively minor sidewall impacts. 

 

If you look at a lot of the tests, winter tyres also come out as quieter than a lot of the summer tyres, a big bonus for me.

 

Excellent point indeed.  Now that is one type of tyre I will NEVER fit to a car of mine.  Eco tyres.  That is very many compromises too far for my liking.

Excellent point indeed.  Now that is one type of tyre I will NEVER fit to a car of mine.  Eco tyres.  That is very many compromises too far for my liking.

 

Likewise. I know someone who recently bought a car that came on eco tyres. They want them off as they are horrible.

 

The big names have found a way to sell rubbish and frankly dangerous tyres just by branding them 'eco'. If for some reason someone wants eco tyres, then just get £30 rock hard plastic Lingdongs.

I have a colleague with a mkII Discovery and he has driven all year round with his Vredestein Wintrac Extremes (I have used them on my last 2 4x4s and found them to be excellent and reasonably long wearing) and he reckons that he is getting just over 20K miles out of them before they need to be swapped. Overall he doesn't think they wear much faster than his old regular All Weather Tyres although I he didn't seem to think they were all that great on a hot day.

 

Mind you a 2.5 ton 4x4 probably isn't the last word in handling and braking anyway

I seem to remember a tyre test (but cannot find at the moment) whereby one of the very latest Winter tyres acquited itself very well in warm, dry conditions for handling, braking etc against summer tyres. Maybe it is the latest Michelin Alpin, not sure. I remember reading at the time that it would be a better all seasons tyre than the all seasons tyres.

I think that was the Continental 850 (or whatever the latest winter tyre from them is) but I don't think they fit my Yeti. I thought the same after reading the review, and if they are now available I would change over to try them out. I think it was in tyre reviews or uk tyres...

 

edit to add: is this the link?

 

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/All-Season-Tyres-How-Do-They-Stack-Up.htm

Edited 20 August, 201312 yr by Duck_Pond

I do not recall ever having made any such claim, just an observation that the comparison tests generally show that all seasons are outperformed by specific season tyres. I'm not sure what your point is.

 

I didn’t actually, specifically, have “a point” (your expression, not mine)…but was simply saying that as well as, at the time,  having looked and listened to the views of reviewers and actual users regarding what they had to say and suggest about All Seasons, Winter and Standard issue tyres, I actually bought some  Dunlop Winters and actually bought the Goodyear Vectors and posted above  according to my experience….rather than just quoting reviews from my armchair and pronouncing upon them thus.  You  seemed to know all about them so I mistakenly assumed you must have been similarly informed having owned and used them yourself.  Nothing more complicated than that. I’m obviously sorry about that.

 

 

(Also sorry about that unforgivably long first sentence)

Just get it in writing from your insurer that it's okay as if you have an accident they may use as a get out.

Just get it in writing from your insurer that it's okay as if you have an accident they may use as a get out.

 

 

Valid point, but see here .....

 

https://www.abi.org.uk/Insurance-and-savings/Products/Motor-insurance/~/media/4621107A11034C2E98AD503657A699FB.ashx

 

Taken from the ABI's own website.

Edited 20 August, 201312 yr by oldstan

I think that was the Continental 850 (or whatever the latest winter tyre from them is) but I don't think they fit my Yeti. I thought the same after reading the review, and if they are now available I would change over to try them out. I think it was in tyre reviews or uk tyres...

 

edit to add: is this the link?

 

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/All-Season-Tyres-How-Do-They-Stack-Up.htm

To be honest I can't remember the tyre or the review. It was a few months ago that I read it and thought hmmm, interesting. In recent years I haven't keep a car long enough to need new tyres!

I mistakenly assumed

Looks that way. Probably better in future if you read what people have posted before you reply.

Apology accepted.

Let's never fight again etc.

 

I understand the space issue...  But regarding funds:  what people forget it that when the winters are on, the summers are not putting miles on and vice versa...  So in total both sets will last MUCH longer.  So the ONLY financial outlay (assuming you change the wheels yourself) is the cost of 4 steel rims at £40 or so a pop. and a tyre on each one - total £540< initial outlay :peek:

 

The best average in my mind are the ones the car came with for obvious reasons - financial.  You can only ever consider anything else come the first time you change.  And then as an average, yes, I guess all-seasons will do the trick if, as Huskoda said, you drive sensibly. (taken as read, surely ) and, yes, I was seeking opinion about best average on the basis of performance

 

It's certainly true that there's a hefty initial outlay on a set of winter tyres, but mine have made it (with the original tyres still having plenty of tread) to Yeti no 2, and I've not had to change the summer tyres as often as I expected.

 

And the Yeti itself costs a lot more than £450 up front. It's just about weighing up the different factors. For me, having had winters, I don't want to go back to using summer tyres all year.

 

 

I understand the space issue...  But regarding funds:  what people forget it that when the winters are on, the summers are not putting miles on and vice versa...  So in total both sets will last MUCH longer.  So the ONLY financial outlay (assuming you change the wheels yourself) is the cost of 4 steel rims at £40 or so a pop. and a tyre on each one - total £540< initial outlay :peek:

 

The best average in my mind are the ones the car came with for obvious reasons - financial.  You can only ever consider anything else come the first time you change.  And then as an average, yes, I guess all-seasons will do the trick if, as Huskoda said, you drive sensibly. (taken as read, surely ) and, yes, I was seeking opinion about best average on the basis of performance

 

 

 

 

Yes, but like I said everyone forgets that when one set is on the other is off not putting miles on.  You just use two sets spread over a longer time.

 

So let's say you do 25,000 miles a set.  A set costs £540 to use your numbers.  So two summer sets over 50,000 miles = £1,080

Now if you buy one summer and one winter and each lasts 25,000 and each cost £540 (for argument's sake) what is your total outlay? £1,080

 

Ergo the ONLY extra cost is the four steel wheels.  But granted there is a bigger initial outlay but you do NOT spend more over the whole period.  My initial outlay was included in the car's finance since I got my entire winter set from the supplying dealer.

But if you buy a rim and tyre complete from a bucket outfit(My tyres in my case, recommended sizes, and a total cost all in, (no extra fitting costs etc) of £365 from Germany)and accept the tyre longevity may be reduced not having a premium brand, I would say there are potential savings to be made, not great but there, and would think with normal useage 3 yrs winter use.

My lass works some odd hours, early mornings etc and gets paid only when she's working and we live in a hilly area. Last winter, we broke even on the purchase of the tyres in one day just because she could go to work at 4am while it was snowing heavily and settling.

But if you buy a rim and tyre complete from a bucket outfit(My tyres in my case, recommended sizes, and a total cost all in, (no extra fitting costs etc) of £365 from Germany)and accept the tyre longevity may be reduced not having a premium brand, I would say there are potential savings to be made, not great but there, and would think with normal useage 3 yrs winter use.

 

Swings and roundabouts but the argument is much the same.  So the ONLY thing people really need to consider is space to store them and if you don't have the initial cash to have the forethought to add a complete Škoda supplied winter set to your finance (as an option) and let the dealer supply them.  As I said my dealer was more than happy to add a whole set with Škoda steel wheels and winter tyres delivered with my car.

 

If you have a caravan leave the unused set inside the van.  And when you need the van to go on holiday, put the tyres in your kitchen since you won't be using your kitchen whilst you are away.   Job done.

Looks like those Continentals might be available in the right size now. I guess the only issue might come from insurers, should you have an accident and they see tyres marked as "Winter" during the summer.

Looks like those Continentals might be available in the right size now. I guess the only issue might come from insurers, should you have an accident and they see tyres marked as "Winter" during the summer.

 

I don't see why they could. They fully meet the EU specifications for road use. As long as you haven't gone under the speed rating requirement for your vehicle.

Are winter / summer tyres a 4 wheel drive, where you  live or Yeti thing. I have been driving for 40 year , 20 or them in company cars and  prior to joining this Yeti site I have never considered  and it  has never been suggested that having two sets of tyres was  the thing to do.

What type of  tyres will be fitted to my 2 month old Yeti?