I see a lot of dealers have been registering cars so they can earn their dealer bonus by meeting targets.

I have been looking round and have been offered a 13 reg Abarth 500 with £3000 discount.Also a 13 reg Mini Cooper with £2000 discount.

However i had to laugh at a 13 reg Citigo Elegance with only £300 discount!! That car in the trade would be worth £8000,and thats what you would get if you took it back to the dealer after a month if you did not like the car.

All cars drop the most in the first year no matter if its one day old or one year old,the drop is the same. The best cars drop at least 25% in the first year,some cars a lot more. Even VW are now giving £500 discount off a new UP.

I still like the Mazda MX5. You can get a new one from internet brokers with a £4000 discount,but i am hanging on to my Smart at the moment. I still think it will be a VW High UP auto or Citigo Elegance auto when i do change probably next year

they don't need to give much discount due to supply / demand we will have waited 5 months for our citigo, so so many people want them without the wait they are willing to pay pretty much full retail for a pre reg with minimal milage

also reason there are no offers other than free servicing with finance

Edited 21 June, 201312 yr by bluecar1

I still like the Mazda MX5. You can get a new one from internet brokers with a £4000 discount............

Which broker, what model?

Edited 21 June, 201312 yr by MickA

Which broker, what model?

Quite a few MickA including BUYACAR and BROKER4CARS. All models 1.8 and 2 litre.Rag top and coupe.

Yes Bluecar 1 i know the cars are in demand,however the 13 reg Citigo has been at the dealers for 3 months,so why has it not been sold if they are in such demand? The answer is because of the absurd price.

Dealers will be happy to take to your pants down if you let them.Pay over the odds by all means,but you will suffer 2 or 3 years down the line at resale time when you see how much you have lost.

Edited 22 June, 201312 yr by SMART EXAMINER

Quite a few MickA including BUYACAR and BROKER4CARS. All models 1.8 and 2 litre.Rag top and coupe.

Yes Bluecar 1 i know the cars are in demand,however the 13 reg Citigo has been at the dealers for 3 months,so why has it not been sold if they are in such demand? The answer is because of the absurd price.

Dealers will be happy to take to your pants down if you let them.Pay over the odds by all means,but you will suffer 2 or 3 years down the line at resale time when you see how much you have lost.

Those Mx5 prices look ok. Was looking to upgrade the one I have to one around 3 years old but thenew prices are so tempting through a broker. Did it with the Citigo, it was all straight forward with the dealer, infact as buying a car goes sometimes, it was a pleasurable experience.

Edited 25 June, 201312 yr by MickA

Yes Bluecar 1 i know the cars are in demand,however the 13 reg Citigo has been at the dealers for 3 months,so why has it not been sold if they are in such demand? The answer is because of the absurd price.

If it's a registered demo car they can't sell it for three months anyway.

Just for info.

Those Mx5 prices look ok. Was looking to upgrade the one I have to one around 3 years old but thenew prices are so tempting through a broker. Did it with the Citigo, it was all straight forward with the dealer, infact as buying a car goes sometimes, it was a pleasurable experience.

Which broker did you get the Citigo from?

I have always wanted the MX5 as it reminds me of the sports cars i had in my youth,MGB and TR6. The only problem is i promised myself never to have a manual car ever again,and the automatic MX5 is only available on the top spec car which costs a lot more. I would want the 1.8 SE Coupe which is only available in manual.

If it's a registered demo car they can't sell it for three months anyway.

Just for info.

It is not a demo car it is just pre reg,so the dealer can earn his dealer bonus by meeting targets.Not sure if that makes a difference.

Loads of dealers do this and pretend they are giving customers a bargain by knocking off a silly low amount,when infact in the trade the car has lost at least 25% as soon as the car is registered.This way they make a nice profit plus the dealer bonus.

Could they not have sold the car to a customer seeing as its in such demand,with the understanding the customer can not drive the car away before 3 months had passed? Mind you,i guess you might as well wait for a new one if it takes 3 months,and with a better discount on new.

Some people like to walk in see a car they like, arrange finance or flash the cash and have the car a day or 2 later.

There is much to Quarters, end of Quarters,Tax Years, Change in Registrations, Demonstrators, Pre Orders, Canceled Orders, Pre Registered etc etc

that customers might think they understand and from some of this thread obviously unless you are working at a Dealership

you are only trying to get your head around and failing.

If you want to buy a car then find the one you want at the price you want to pay and buy it.

It is only one car, and you are not some person with inside knowledge and with some special right to a bargain.

The country is full of cars of every sort and nobody wants to sell you one for less than it cost them to buy.

Its selling and making a living they are into, not charity.

If you see a car you want then offer what ever you want to pay and they can say take a hike if they are not interested.

They get sick to the teeth of window shoppers,

but an 'Asking Price' is just that,

if they want to shift a car and you have the money, then you can usually get a good deal.

(or you will think you did)

or move on and try elsewhere.

Chasing bargains on cars not already built seems like a waste of time if you are someone that is bothered about loss of 25% in a year.

http://www.broadspee..._Roadster_Coupe

http://www.broadspeed.com

?? Have you gone and looked at 12/62 plate Used/Ex Demo Toyota GT86 autos

(not many Subaru BRZ Automatics.)

They are available with a big drop in price since they are all over the country sitting on forecourts and not selling. 'Asking Prices' might still look high where the Sellers do not want to devalue the Brand,

But you can pick up a bargain for those that need to get them moved on now.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk

george

It is not a demo car it is just pre reg,so the dealer can earn his dealer bonus by meeting targets.Not sure if that makes a difference.

Loads of dealers do this and pretend they are giving customers a bargain by knocking off a silly low amount,when infact in the trade the car has lost at least 25% as soon as the car is registered.This way they make a nice profit plus the dealer bonus.

Could they not have sold the car to a customer seeing as its in such demand,with the understanding the customer can not drive the car away before 3 months had passed? Mind you,i guess you might as well wait for a new one if it takes 3 months,and with a better discount on new.

What a heap of twaddle!

It is not a demo car it is just pre reg,so the dealer can earn his dealer bonus by meeting targets. Not sure if that makes a difference.

Yes, it does.

Just a heads up as I noticed that Drivethedeal have a few pre reg's available from today... £1300 off the Sport and £1000 off the lower spec ones iirc.

Just a heads up as I noticed that Drivethedeal have a few pre reg's available from today... £1300 off the Sport and £1000 off the lower spec ones iirc.

Yes, £8,995 for the Sport.

Seems a good deal.

Which broker did you get the Citigo from?

I have always wanted the MX5 as it reminds me of the sports cars i had in my youth,MGB and TR6. The only problem is i promised myself never to have a manual car ever again,and the automatic MX5 is only available on the top spec car which costs a lot more. I would want the 1.8 SE Coupe which is only available in manual.

It was http://www.carfile.net/ I got my Citigo through. Saved over £600 on the OTR price which enabled me to get a few extras added to the order. BTW this was on a new factory ordered car, I waited the 3 months quoted (arrived more or less spot on the date) and as said a good all round deal.

The Mx 5 I want doesn't seem to be available at the brokers at the moment, it's a special edition. I will bite the bullet and go see what a local dealer can sell me one for direct from the showroom.

As for the window shoppers peeing dealers off comment, well we all don't just waltz into a showroom and plonk our money down on the 1st car we see. It can take me ages to decide to spend my hard earned, and a few visits to wherever to decide. I walked out of showrooms over the years, purely because of the attitude of some staff, but we've all been there :think:

Edited 26 June, 201312 yr by MickA

My dads just brought a pre reg one 3 months old got 2k off

Yes, £8,995 for the Sport.

Seems a good deal.

Yep.

Though a heavily discounted Abarth 500 tempts me more.

I think we know the difference between 'window shopping' and passing the time and talking about buying & asking the price,

but ultimately window shopping.

It is different from 'Shopping' which is actually thinking of buying something in the end and finding the best deal and product.

We all look and think and price things and compare,but trying to drive a deal one day

when you might buy something the next year is just a past time/hobby.

Sometimes while your partner is doing some shopping.

george

I think we know the difference between 'window shopping' and passing the time and talking about buying & asking the price,

but ultimately window shopping.

It is different from 'Shopping' which is actually thinking of buying something in the end and finding the best deal and product.

We all look and think and price things and compare,but trying to drive a deal one day

when you might buy something the next year is just a past time/hobby.

Sometimes while your partner is doing some shopping.

george

Yep can agree with most comments.

Like last year, when we bought our Citigo. We were due to go on holiday so buying a car was put aside until we got back. But as we were travelling around Cornwall the lure of a Skoda showroom nearby got us having a closer look. I didn't want to trouble anyone so just had a quick peek at a Citigo asked for a brochure and started to leave. We ended up sitting in a sales managers office even though I told him before we entered that we were on holiday and our local dealer would most likely be getting our business when we got back. Even so he couldn't have be a more pleasant chap I've met selling cars, really helpful and understood our position. I even thanked him by email when I returned from holiday for his help with the Citigo viewing and all the info he gave us. Now wind on to the point when we visited our local dealer, what a disappointment that was, an obnoxious type of bloke I wouldn't even buy a bag of chips off. We nearly went back to Cornwall and bought our car off him. Anyway we ended up travelling 25 miles to another town to collect our ordered Citigo, all done over the phone, more or less, except for a visit for a test drive. So I think it all come down to attitude of the seller and of course can be said of the buyer as well.

Some people like to walk in see a car they like, arrange finance or flash the cash and have the car a day or 2 later.

There is much to Quarters, end of Quarters,Tax Years, Change in Registrations, Demonstrators, Pre Orders, Canceled Orders, Pre Registered etc etc

that customers might think they understand and from some of this thread obviously unless you are working at a Dealership

you are only trying to get your head around and failing.

If you want to buy a car then find the one you want at the price you want to pay and buy it.

It is only one car, and you are not some person with inside knowledge and with some special right to a bargain.

The country is full of cars of every sort and nobody wants to sell you one for less than it cost them to buy.

Its selling and making a living they are into, not charity.

If you see a car you want then offer what ever you want to pay and they can say take a hike if they are not interested.

They get sick to the teeth of window shoppers,

but an 'Asking Price' is just that,

if they want to shift a car and you have the money, then you can usually get a good deal.

(or you will think you did)

or move on and try elsewhere.

Chasing bargains on cars not already built seems like a waste of time if you are someone that is bothered about loss of 25% in a year.

http://www.broadspee..._Roadster_Coupe

http://www.broadspeed.com

?? Have you gone and looked at 12/62 plate Used/Ex Demo Toyota GT86 autos

(not many Subaru BRZ Automatics.)

They are available with a big drop in price since they are all over the country sitting on forecourts and not selling. 'Asking Prices' might still look high where the Sellers do not want to devalue the Brand,

But you can pick up a bargain for those that need to get them moved on now.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk

george

I do not mind anyone making a profit,but there is a difference between making a profit and dealers wanting to make a killing.

A pre reg car is a used car by any other name.Even Mike Rutherford in Autoexpress said as much.He would not touch them. The only way i would purchase a pre reg is if the correct 25% had been knocked off,but then £500 put on for the dealers profit.

My cousin used to be in the used car trade,and i recently gave up a part time job before i retired working at the car auction,so i do understand the trade and know prices and dealer profits.

It always amazes me that people go wild if the price of a newspaper goes up 5p,but they are happy to pay Thousands over the odds for a car.If you guys want to make the car salesman rich by paying silly money,then go ahead.I prefer a sensible price which i always get.

As for Toyota/Subaru,if i was spending £20k to £25k i would prefer a Jaguar XF.You can get a discounted basic model for £26 so i am sure you could get the extra £1k off,or perhaps a year or two old BMW 3 series or Mercedes C Class.

It was http://www.carfile.net/ I got my Citigo through. Saved over £600 on the OTR price which enabled me to get a few extras added to the order. BTW this was on a new factory ordered car, I waited the 3 months quoted (arrived more or less spot on the date) and as said a good all round deal.

The Mx 5 I want doesn't seem to be available at the brokers at the moment, it's a special edition. I will bite the bullet and go see what a local dealer can sell me one for direct from the showroom.

As for the window shoppers peeing dealers off comment, well we all don't just waltz into a showroom and plonk our money down on the 1st car we see. It can take me ages to decide to spend my hard earned, and a few visits to wherever to decide. I walked out of showrooms over the years, purely because of the attitude of some staff, but we've all been there :think:

Well said sir and i agree with all you say. Its a good idea to print out prices from the brokers,and ask dealers to match the price.I have done that in the past. It worked when i purchased a Fiat. Brokers were giving £2500 discount.I went to 5 Fiat showrooms who all said they can only knock off £1k. I went to the 6th Fiat dealer who said he could match the price,so i purchased the car from them with the full £2500 discount.

Thanks for the info on Carfile.I will have a look closer to the time. Buyacar are giving around £500 discount at the moment. Makes the £300 discount off a pre reg used car a bit of a joke when you can get £500 off a new car. I would not mind waiting the 3 months.I would just order the car 3 months before i knew i wanted the car.eg 3 months before the 63 reg this year or 3 months before the 64 reg next year.

SMART EXAMINER,

a Pre Reg car sitting on a Showroom floor maybe with a few options added, that has had a PDI & preparation for sale and a few customers in and out it is in no way a used car,

but it has already 1 Registered Keeper

& it can be had very often at a nicely reduced price.

(if not its no skin off your nose, move on and find your discount/bargain elsewhere.)

You say you understand the car trade, but you mention the Toyota GT86 i spoke of and buying a car at £20,000-£25,000.

My point was that a car sitting now for 14 months with an 'Asking Price' of £20,000 can maybe be yours for £18,000.

(I was making a comparison with a MX5 & a Drivers Sports car.)

Getting a Jaguar XF and a discount is no doubt possible, but they are cars that are selling well new and used,

the Toyota i was using as an example is a car that has had the hype but has cars sitting not selling and prime meat for picking up a bargain used.)

So we have gone in this thread from a VW UP! or Citigo Autos to Mazda MX5 autos & my suggestion of another automatic sports car all for around £18,000, or £9,000 or less, and now talking Discounts available on Jag XF's.

Everything is supply and demand then trying to get good deals.

If you are so good as a buyer and a seller, then getting amazing deals should be easy.

A few good deals/buys on these nearly new cars at the Trade Auctions & a few good sales and you get your own cars for free from your profit..

george

A pre reg car is a used car by any other name.

Disagree totally with this statement, there is no wear, its new. Just becasue the paperwork has a name on it already doesnt make it used. Ive bought a couple of bargain cars as pre regs - 6k+ off the rrp and by the time ive sold them on a few years later - two owners on the log book is nothing to worry about. I got top dollar at trade in time also thinking back.

Disagree totally with this statement, there is no wear, its new. Just becasue the paperwork has a name on it already doesnt make it used. Ive bought a couple of bargain cars as pre regs - 6k+ off the rrp and by the time ive sold them on a few years later - two owners on the log book is nothing to worry about. I got top dollar at trade in time also thinking back.

Agree.

The Silver Citigo that is the basis for my Citigo 4x4 project was an ex-demo car. Not even preregistered.

But it had done 200 miles when I got it, 180 of them by me testing it out!

It may have one previous owner in the V5c, but it was as good as new. And had a hefty discount!

Disagree totally with this statement, there is no wear, its new. Just becasue the paperwork has a name on it already doesnt make it used. Ive bought a couple of bargain cars as pre regs - 6k+ off the rrp and by the time ive sold them on a few years later - two owners on the log book is nothing to worry about. I got top dollar at trade in time also thinking back.

Which make of cars were they? £6000 off sounds ok,but £300 off the Pre Reg Citigo is a joke when you can get more off an unregistered new one .