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Turbo went up in smoke!

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Evening all,

100 yards into a 175 mile commute this morning pulling out of a hotel car park near Chesterfield, there was a whining noise, followed by a screaming noise, followed by some grinding and rattling and many many warnings, flashing lights, a massive loss of power and a huge plume of sooty, smoky, oily 'orrible stuff out the backend.

Had to drive another 35 miles with no turbo to get it to somewhere I could leave it for the week and still get to work in Bristol so the Octavia is on Mum's driveway and I've borrowed my old Furby from her for the week (dangerous - I'd forgotten how much fun it is) and now I have to start the grueling task of finding a replacement turbo and getting it fitted.

Does anybody have any idea/experience of how much I might have to fork out to get a replacement (new or re-con) fitted?

I've been waiting for an email from Midland Turbo for a few days now for a price on just the turbo & manifold but nothing as yet (suspected it was on it's way out a while back so have been looking into this) but now I'm on a time limit as Mum needs the Fab back on Friday and I need to be in Plymouth on Tuesday and Newcastle on Thursday next week. Really don't fancy doing it in SWMBO's 1.4 automatic Fiesta.

Any mechanics, techs or anyone at all with a ballpark figure?

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To be honest, I'm not that fussed. As long as it works and I can drive it that's fine.

The labour value is now the interesting bit really as I remembered after posting this that gleaned a part number from one of my earlier threads on the subject. My Haynes manual tells me it's quite a procedure getting the unit out and refitting so I'd assumed quite a bit of time but if anyone has experience or can make an educated guess (further to the one already provided) that would be most helpful. Essentially I just want to make sure that when I ring round in the week and speak to people about doing it, I'm not getting my pants pulled down that's all.

:-)

Also try Turbo Technics, CR Turbos and Turbo Dynamics.

 

£200 labour is a fair assessment as it's probably about 4hrs all in for a straightforward removal and re-fit procedure.

 

You'll also need to check the intercooler pipework and the FMIC itself, as the turbo could well have left metal particles behind when it let go. These will need a full flush.

 

Advisable to have a full oil change as well, and to also change the oil after the run-in procedure has been completed on the new unit.

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Cheers for the info everyone.

As I'm in Brizzle this week and the car is stuck in Notts I've arranged for a mobile mech to come and do it in situ before I return (hopefully, depending on lead time)

I've plumped to have a new one on there so I can have a map done at some point in the near future without worrying that I'm putting extra stress on already worn parts.

As yet I've not got his ballpark figure for costs but now I've a good idea what he 'should' be charging for his time and I'll have the discussion about where he's buying the turbo from when he's got back to me with a cost.

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Best of luck. A mobile mechanic does concern me for a job like this though!

I had a new (reconditioned) turbo fitted to my 2007 (57) PD170 vRS under warranty by a Skoda dealer.

 

Total bill was just short of £1,500.

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Best of luck. A mobile mechanic does concern me for a job like this though!

 

I can appreciate that it's not an ideal situation but I have used them before and spoken to them at length about the car as recently as last week about the fact that it was whining more recently and am satisfied that they are competent (for reference: http://www.themobilegaragepeople.co.uk) and that they aren't just front garden oil changers. Been very happy with their service previously and after a conversation earlier to scope out whether they were comfortable doing it in situ (Mum's driveway) and wouldn't just head to TPS for parts but would search around to get a competitive price on a unit and offer me alternatives, I'm reasonably happy with the prospect. 

 

Also, I really need to give my Mum my old Fabia back, it's far too much fun!

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Turbo £850 +VAT (Garrett OEM replacement - after MUCH deliberation)

4/5 hours labour depending on the state of the exhaust side

Car back to me on Monday night.

MOT due in 6 weeks.

It's a good job I'm so fabulously wealthy and have all this spare money to burn...

:-/

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Seems expensive, especially plus the VAT, from a mobile outfit.

 

Check the other recommended places, as previously posted.

 

I dealt with Turbo Technics (stage 1 hybrid based on the GT1749V) when I needed my new turbo due to failure, and then my local specialist sorted the rest. The turbo on a vRS TDI should be a GTB1749VM.

 

I also don't see any breakdown of what other associated work is being carried out, and what bolts and gaskets are being replaced - or perhaps you've just posted a brief outline of costs?

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From the phone conversation earlier (still in Brizzle) it appears that the bearings are still intact and the impeller is still there but there is lots of play in the shaft but he said he didn't suspect that there was a great deal of detritus in the oil system, obviously he is going to change it and examine what comes out, but is hopeful that the EM managed to restrict the airflow before too much damage had been done. The fault history shows a boost error and something else pressure related from the exhaust system and both faults occur twice in quick succession.

My understanding is that is the cost for an OEM kit from Garrett including manifold and all gaskets for mating to existing apertures and a couple of bits of pipe work that should be changed when doing the job anyway and there's probably a box of tea bags in there for him.

I agree, it seems high to me too but I need the car back as next week is filling up with jobs at opposite ends of the country and I don't really want the added cost of car hire for a week. It really isn't something I'm equipped to do at home in a realistic timeframe to have the car back down on the ground again within a day and I'm 200 miles away from it, needing it back.

Rock and a hard place really. This is the last straw for it I think but I need it so I'm gonna plough on and get it fixed. Anything else goes wrong and I'm off to the classifieds...

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So....

£1600 later with a brand new OEM turbo + all associated bits and a new seal between that and the DPF (which isn't there but the canister still is) and 6 hours labour and plenty of cups of tea...she drives like an absolute dream  :rock:

 

He showed me the old unit. There was around 1/4 of an inch of play in the shaft and the fins and housing were worn where it had been catching the internal edges of the air inlet. That was probably the siren like noise. Slightly concerned that I've had tiny wee bits of swarf flying into the engine too. The exhaust side was pretty battered and the bearing in the centre was goosed. All in all, I'm glad I got it changed instead of trying to eek it out. Having felt the difference driving last night and this morning, it's like I have a different car back  :party:

 

Some people may argue that it was expensive, I would agree with you to a certain extent, but it was done on the driveway, using OEM parts by a fully qualified mechanic and with essentially no disruption to my work aside from borrowing my old car back for a week. I'm of the opinion that was worth paying a little bit extra for.

 

Plymouth today, Newcastle tomorrow, London Friday. Rock and/or Roll...

Good result. Like you say, you need to factor in the disruption factor and what that's worth to you.

 

So you still have the old unit? There could have been a better deal available there too, as the majority of reputable turbo firms offer a buy-back scheme meaning the overall total outlay for the new turbo is reduced.

Wardy I worked in the motor parts for 9 + years, if a turbo has a surcharge on it it's a recon. So you can't compare the price of a new unit which are getting rare to a recon. If I was to get a new turbo I would only be using.

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Well, I spoke to work because we have an account with Europcar (and they're in Aberdeen so they were in on BH Monday when it went kaboom) but because I put in monthly mileage expenses and because of how we recharge those expenses to clients, I would have had to hire (pay for) a car myself and claim it back.

That's not easily done on a bank holiday anyway but when our logistics lass came back to me with the price for an Insignia for a week (max mileage on our hire terms 1500 - could easily have done more than that) I can definitely tell you that getting it fixed and paying a premium saved me a LOT of that paper with the queens face on it.

When offered the old unit I politely declined because I have a fuel pump, window regulator and top mounts from a Mk4 Astra I had 10 years ago in the garage amongst various other bits and I'm trying to get rid of detritus, not collect it.

Of course, now that the turbo isn't whistling...I can hear the noise being made by a gearbox that's done 177k...which has bumped that right up the priority list...

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