Im look at buying a vrs with standard everything but the turbo. Im no expert butbits the PD150 hybrid I have been told.

Being standard it has no front mount, now from what I can see im looking around 400 for a new kit and was wondering is it worth it getting one? Or do I need one?

Its not mapped but hopefully when I get it I will be taking it for one and a proper one at that.

(I have searched for this btw but found nothing conclusive)

Thanks

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I would go for the Seat Sport style cooler, not too in your face and Airtec do a kit for the Fabia for around £500.

Is it a nesasary mod? I imagine after a map it would need some extra cooling, but trying to keep stealthy stock look if I get it

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All depends what bhp you want

Its more drivability than rolling road figures. Just a fair bit of poke with out putting anything under strain. I would like to see 180. From what ive read at PD150 hybrid with a good quality map can reach that with out too much problems.

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Not necessary but VERY "recommended" - There'd be no point putting the expenses into a turbo, and not uprating the cooler which will let the turbo do what it should to the best it can. 

get a harsh enough map on the standard turbo and it'll make 180 geegees.

My Jabba map makes 177bhp and my mates Jabba one makes 183  (according to their rollers)

 

I asked the same question a while back, was directed to this thead which contains this graphic

 

 

 

conclusive enough i reckon

The vrs im looking at has a 150 hybrid already so I wouldnt be forking out for one. For 500quid I suppose it couldnt do any harm lol. I just dont want it mapped to an inch of its life then have the economy of a school bus and the power come in a big lump.

Im not modding expert by any means but the opportunity to get a vrs with an upgraded turbo has got me thinking I could make the most of the opportunity. As originally I was guna do as you say PastyBoy and just keep it bogo and map it up a bit

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If the hybrid has a fairly mild map, then perhaps you can get away sticking with the SMIC.  If it was mapped up to say a comfy 190bhp, then apart from in the summer and on a very spirited drive, you're unlikely to find heatsoak an issue (associated with higher intake temps shown in above graph)

 

However, map it as hard as I had my PD150 hybrid (221bhp) then a cooler is essential if you want that power all the time - i.e on a trackday, keeping things cooler in the summer, etc. 

 

I'm trying to think of a real life example to show what I mean, but I can't think of anything right now.  How about this - you have an ice cream that you have to eat before it melts.  Would you rather eat in direct sunlight or in the shade?  In the shade it will last longer, just like your turbo/engine performance with a front mounted IC. That's perhaps a bad metaphor, but there we go?!

I'm trying to think of a real life example to show what I mean, but I can't think of anything right now.  How about this - you have an ice cream that you have to eat before it melts.  Would you rather eat in direct sunlight or in the shade?  In the shade it will last longer, just like your turbo/engine performance with a front mounted IC. That's perhaps a bad metaphor, but there we go?!

 

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If the hybrid has a fairly mild map, then perhaps you can get away sticking with the SMIC. If it was mapped up to say a comfy 190bhp, then apart from in the summer and on a very spirited drive, you're unlikely to find heatsoak an issue (associated with higher intake temps shown in above graph)

However, map it as hard as I had my PD150 hybrid (221bhp) then a cooler is essential if you want that power all the time - i.e on a trackday, keeping things cooler in the summer, etc.

I'm trying to think of a real life example to show what I mean, but I can't think of anything right now. How about this - you have an ice cream that you have to eat before it melts. Would you rather eat in direct sunlight or in the shade? In the shade it will last longer, just like your turbo/engine performance with a front mounted IC. That's perhaps a bad metaphor, but there we go?!

Good metaphor!

Thanks, I think its down to how you drive etc! A fmic is guna only do good really and if the pd150 can achive the 220s out of a map then a 190-200 isnt really pushing it and have a fmic is only guna help it do its job properly.

I like to take a good stretching of the ole legs and last thing I would want is a surge in heat like those figure! That is really conclusive. . . . Good food for thought.

Its good to get everyones views, thanks. Im gagging to get the car now, just waiting on finances . . . . .

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Glad to be of help.  Please think of a better one for me! 

Glad to be of help.  Please think of a better one for me! 

 

Well Jason i think you'll find that a front mounted intercooler is like making love to a beautiful woman..........Actually no never mind we'll stick with the ice cream metaphor

The 150 turbo is the same as the 160 turbo found on the ibiza cupra. This has a fmic from factory.

so even without hybriding the 150 it still needs a fmic so a 150 hybrid def does

I had my car mapped to 220 horse with out a front mount. It was dead on until I got the money gathered up for an allard intercooler. Now I have the power all the time

Well thats no map till there is a fmic! Makes sense really if the car is going to be running almost 100bhp more than it was created with some cooling for the turbo is critical.

Always knew that the forum would answer my question!

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As pasty and Jason said, it'll depend how much power you want AND your use. You can't just say, "it has xx turbo so needs a fmic" because if you only wanted 190-200bhp and use it as a daily then its quite possibly not needed.if you want the full 230bhp then yes, a fmic will be needed.

A FMIC is better/more efficient end of!

 

If you can afford one get one

 

Well thats no map till there is a fmic! Makes sense really if the car is going to be running almost 100bhp more than it was created with some cooling for the turbo is critical.

Always knew that the forum would answer my question!

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Remember a intercooler is after your turbo, so does not cool the turbo.it cools the hot charge air from the turbo before it enters the engine, cooler the intake air the better

A FMIC is better/more efficient end of!

If you can afford one get one

Remember a intercooler is after your turbo, so does not cool the turbo.it cools the hot charge air from the turbo before it enters the engine, cooler the intake air the better

That should of said cooling 'from' the turbo lol. Yea I agree its only guna do good!

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The 150 turbo is the same as the 160 turbo found on the ibiza cupra. This has a fmic from factory.

so even without hybriding the 150 it still needs a fmic so a 150 hybrid def does

The golf pd150 has a small fmic aswell doesn't it?

The golf pd150 has a small fmic aswell doesn't it?

 

I believe it is quite big actually, but not that thick.  So large surface area but not massive volume - A bit like the radiator.

Saying that, never actually seen one in the flesh from memory.

The golf pd150 has a small fmic aswell doesn't it?

No they are massive

Not overly deep but they are big

Will cope with 300bhp apparently

As pasty and Jason said, it'll depend how much power you want AND your use. You can't just say, "it has xx turbo so needs a fmic" because if you only wanted 190-200bhp and use it as a daily then its quite possibly not needed.if you want the full 230bhp then yes, a fmic will be needed.

the ibiza cupra tdi with the same turbo only has 160bhp... but still needs a fmic else they would have fitted a smic from factory. so even running 190bhp and a 130 standard vrs smic would have a negative effect on the intake temperature even "using daily". No point putting a bigger turbo in without the supporting mods

He isn't, its already fitted.

My point is, of you're prepared to run a smooth map limited for the intercooler as Jason said you could run it on a smic. Obviously if you want to go for the power the turbo is capable of then yeah you'd need a fmic

He isn't, its already fitted.

My point is, of you're prepared to run a smooth map limited for the intercooler as Jason said you could run it on a smic. Obviously if you want to go for the power the turbo is capable of then yeah you'd need a fmic

i realise the turbo is already fitted.

my point is he does need a fmic regardless of if hes aiming for 190bhp with a smooth map or 230bhp with a aggressive map.

As said already the ss fmic was designed for the 150/160 turbo running standard 160bhp. To not fit a fmic when running a further 30bhp minimum would not be wise. I think the OP is aware of this + his question has been answered