Rubbish.

I'll look forward to the day you get out dragged at the lights by an identical vRS with DSG (it's quicker than the manual in real life).....you'll be straight down the dealer looking to p/x for a DSG!

 

Totally agree and well said

 

 

Have you tried " Launch Control "  ( DSG Box )

 

Left foot on brake, Select Sport, turn off ESP, Plant right foot on Gas Peddle, Hold one's breath, nip the cheeks of your ar5e, keep eyes open............remove foot from brake..............and breath

 

By the time he selects second on his manual you'll have gone

Having driven both in diesel format Id have to say go out and give them a good run before you make a final decision.

I'm on my second VRS Estate albeit the CR variety but have stayed with manual as I just couldn't connect with the DSG way of life.

Manual for me gives that extra surety that all AUTO's lack in my opinion. Doing in excess of 35k a year I don't have that extra expense(minor point but valid) associated with the box either. 

 

Good luck! 

Having driven both in diesel format Id have to say go out and give them a good run before you make a final decision.

I'm on my second VRS Estate albeit the CR variety but have stayed with manual as I just couldn't connect with the DSG way of life.

Manual for me gives that extra surety that all AUTO's lack in my opinion. Doing in excess of 35k a year I don't have that extra expense(minor point but valid) associated with the box either. 

 

Good luck! 

 

But you will end up needing a replacement clutch at some point, so the cost saving is negligible compared to a DSG oil change. You'll be doing well to be on the original clutch after 120-150k and the cost of a replacement (inc. parts and labour) will at best be the same as the multiple oil changes you'd have paid for in that time.

But you will end up needing a replacement clutch at some point, so the cost saving is negligible compared to a DSG oil change. You'll be doing well to be on the original clutch after 120-150k and the cost of a replacement (inc. parts and labour) will at best be the same as the multiple oil changes you'd have paid for in that time.

 

Pedantic I know but if you were to compare the running costs of DSG vs Manual it would be interesting to see the outcome.

Personally for big miles my money is on the manual. 

Manual always and forget these cr@ppy auto DGS tiptrornic mechatronic, complicated stuff. 6 gears Mnual enjoy lfie, change when u want, and not a dumb computer.

 

Unless your old and tired for manual

Manual always and forget these cr@ppy auto DGS tiptrornic mechatronic, complicated stuff. 6 gears Mnual enjoy lfie, change when u want, and not a dumb computer.

 

Unless your old and tired for manual

Wake up and smell the coffee! Dual clutch 'boxes are the future - so much quicker than manual.

Ferrari and Porsche are going that way, Ferrari almost completely now. Does that not tell you something?

We're also lucky that VAG led the way here, DSG being almost 10 years old, and having improved a great deal in that time. Manuals are fun (I have one in my Panda 100HP), but DSG is far from a 'crappy.....dumb computer'.

Have you tried " Launch Control "  ( DSG Box )

 

Left foot on brake, Select Sport, turn off ESP, Plant right foot on Gas Peddle, Hold one's breath, nip the cheeks of your ar5e, keep eyes open............remove foot from brake..............and breath

 

By the time he selects second on his manual you'll have gone

 

Yes it's fantastic. Also the actual speed of the gear changes when you plant the throttle still makes me smile.

 

My DSG is not even a vRS, but a PD140.....but combined with the DSG you can punch well above your weight in the acceleration stakes.

Manual always and forget these cr@ppy auto DGS tiptrornic mechatronic, complicated stuff. 6 gears Mnual enjoy lfie, change when u want, and not a dumb computer.

 

Unless your old and tired for manual

 

There's nothing cr*ppy about mine and they're not for old fogies either - don't see many old fogies driving a 612 Scagglietti Ferrari...and some people may also have conditions on their licence which restricts them to auto only anyway so don't have a choice of pudding stirring. Which it's what it is in some cars.... 

Totally agree and well said

Have you tried " Launch Control " ( DSG Box )

Left foot on brake, Select Sport, turn off ESP, Plant right foot on Gas Peddle, Hold one's breath, nip the cheeks of your ar5e, keep eyes open............remove foot from brake..............and breath

By the time he selects second on his manual you'll have gone

Is this standard on all vRS with DSG or an option. Only had mine a couple of weeks and didn't know about this.

Is this standard on all vRS with DSG or an option. Only had mine a couple of weeks and didn't know about this.

 

Think it needs to be turned on

Think it needs to be turned on

Would this be done via VCDS?

Was going for a test drive today but garage was closed going tomorrow ( sat ) instead will let you all know how I get on, cheers for the input I'm getting a bit biased towards the DSG !!!! Having been a staunch manual supporter for the past 27 years lol

And what's VCDS?

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Edited 28 December, 201312 yr by vonbeck

Ahhh is it skoda's version of vagcom?

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Yup

Ah, the good old manual vs. auto thread, a topic that is always guaranteed to get locked!

 

Company car? DSG.

 

Lifetime warranty? DSG.

 

Buying new and selling after 3 years? DSG.

 

Buying used and running for life? Manual.

 

I've driven both the DSG and manual and whilst the DSG is a fantastic box, as has been mentioned when they go wrong they can cost big money to fix.

 

With the increasing complexity of modern cars its now less of an issue than it used to be as you are just as likely to end up paying out for DMF's, DPF's, turbo's etc. but I have read plenty of threads over the years of strange anomilies with some DSG boxes and the dealers being stumped and unable to fix.

 

The only sound advice is to drive both and make up your own mind, either way you'll end up with a good car.

Edited 28 December, 201312 yr by silver1011

+1 for DSG.

 

However... In my diesel it seems almost too eager to save you pennies on fuel by changing up rapidly through the gears. On corners and through roundabouts (not on take-off) it can be lazy and try and trundle through the corners instead of changing down. It does amaze by knowing when you are going down a steep hill as it holds you in high gear down the hill!

 

But is so easy to flip into sports mode for nipping round the twisty roads/roundabouts and you can always flip to manual and use the paddles/stick to change when you like

 

Win win! be as lazy as you like! or not? 

Ahhh is it skoda's version of vagcom?

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Yup

 

Erm NOPE, VCDS covers all of the VAG marques, and Škoda have no input into it.

 

Ah, the good old manual vs. auto thread, a topic that is always guaranteed to get locked!

 

Company car? DSG.

 

Lifetime warranty? DSG.

 

Buying new and selling after 3 years? DSG.

 

Buying used and running for life? Manual.

 

+1, they are great when they work, but they are far from perfect (or fully sorted) 

As in it's another name for Vagcom, not as in Skoda designed it.

VCDS is VAG-COM,

 

Ross-Tech changed the name several years ago when VAG objected them using the name VAG-COM.

I've just switched from a manual hatch vRS diesel to a petrol DSG estate. I don't know why I didn't go DSG in the first place, it's amazingly awesome! By far the best car I have ever owned.

The DSG is a very clever system, and not once have I been put in a position where I thought I have made a mistake by choosing it

Some interesting reading here...

 

http://www.evosoft.dk/tech.html

 

"But there is a problem with this DSG Gearboxes, it's the Mechatronic unit. This unit sits inside the gearbox and it gets pretty hot and sometimes the electric valves will get defective. Also a common problem with the DQ250 Mechatronic unit is a faulty TCM module. This is mostly seen when the gearbox oil temperature goes above 40 degrees Celsius and we will start seeing error codes as "18222 P1814 Pressure Control Valve 1 (N215), Open / Short to Ground" or some other Short to Ground errors on the other valves."

+1 for DSG.

 

However... In my diesel it seems almost too eager to save you pennies on fuel by changing up rapidly through the gears. On corners and through roundabouts (not on take-off) it can be lazy and try and trundle through the corners instead of changing down. It does amaze by knowing when you are going down a steep hill as it holds you in high gear down the hill!

 

But is so easy to flip into sports mode for nipping round the twisty roads/roundabouts and you can always flip to manual and use the paddles/stick to change when you like

 

Win win! be as lazy as you like! or not? 

You don't need to change to manual mode to use the paddles.  Just 'pull' the paddles for an instant gear-change.  If a paddle is not touched for 15 seconds then gearbox goes back into auto mode.  Alternatively hold the right paddle for a little longer than usual and gearbox will return to auto.  Ideal for a quick change-down BEFORE starting an overtake or before entering a corner or roundabout etc.  I would not have a DSG equipped car without the paddles - I very rarely use 'Manual' mode as I find using the paddles, with both hands on the steering wheel, is far more convenient.

You don't need to change to manual mode to use the paddles.  Just 'pull' the paddles for an instant gear-change.  If a paddle is not touched for 15 seconds then gearbox goes back into auto mode.  Alternatively hold the right paddle for a little longer than usual and gearbox will return to auto.  Ideal for a quick change-down BEFORE starting an overtake or before entering a corner or roundabout etc.  I would not have a DSG equipped car without the paddles - I very rarely use 'Manual' mode as I find using the paddles, with both hands on the steering wheel, is far more convenient.

Yes - true. however using paddles through a corner or on a roundabout is quite hard unless you cross you arms over! At that point you need the up/down of the stick.

 

IMO if they can install a tilt sensor for downhill which downshifts, they should have put one in for corners! 

Edited 29 December, 201312 yr by macevrs

went for a test drive yesterday in DSG petrol estate very impressed i must say   but the thing is ENORMOUS didnt realise they where so large!!! lol think the hatch will be enough as they had one there (non vrs)  and the boot/hatch is pretty large too. The DSG was really responsive and seamless but they seem thin on the ground for the price i`m paying, about 11k but one thing is ive finally settled on the colour it has to be race blue metallic!!!!! hopefully going to try one in manual in next few days will keep you updated on this as i will probably have TONNES more questions when i get one 

cheers guys and gals 

 one thing is i've finally settled on the colour it has to be race blue metallic!!!!! h

cheers guys and gals 

 

If you go for the DSG you will find the Yellow ones are faster than the Blue ones     :think:

 

 

actually the yellow Manuals are faster as well     :yes:

Untrue.

Red cars are always faster, handle better and have better-looking passengers. Well-known, absolutely proven, scientific fact.