We have so many threads here that cover the issue that effects quite a few of the 2,600 or so vRS in the UK.

 

Skoda & VAG never seem to make public statements on the Issue,

and they continue to treat Customers with Problems as though it is something they have never heard of,

yet it has been ongoing since 2009 with Owners of SEAT Twinchargers and, then Skoda, VW & Audi owners.

 

Hopefully at long last the Motoring Media are fully aware and if none of them are prepared up to now to get involved and report how VAG treat customers, they soon will have to, or look like they are in VAG's pocket.

 

So point of my post here is really,

If you have Issues, maybe get a Email off to some Motoring magazines, to the Editor, Lettter page or their Online Comments,

Or even off to BBC Watchdog.

 

EVO had a long Term Polo GTI before and it used Oil. No big deal to them.

Then they do this review and no mention of any issues.

Just advice on Tuning.

 

An Interesting recent comment posted after the article from 'Tiny 1138' and from another Briskoda Member.

http://evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/252097/vw_polo_gti_review.html

 

george

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

Sadly I believe the relationship between magazines that test new cars and the manufacturers can be too cosy...and the answer to why is so obvious that it doesn't need explaining.

Skoda should be exposed for marketing a flawed product and they should respond by offering a full warranty on engines up to 100k miles without time limit,assuming they have a correct service record....can't see it happening though.

We have so many threads here that cover the issue that effects quite a few of the 2,600 or so vRS in the UK.

 

Skoda & VAG never seem to make public statements on the Issue,

and they continue to treat Customers with Problems as though it is something they have never heard of,

yet it has been ongoing since 2009 with Owners of SEAT Twinchargers and, then Skoda, VW & Audi owners.

 

Hopefully at long last the Motoring Media are fully aware and if none of them are prepared up to now to get involved and report how VAG treat customers, they soon will have to, or look like they are in VAG's pocket.

 

So point of my post here is really,

If you have Issues, maybe get a Email off to some Motoring magazines, to the Editor, Lettter page or their Online Comments,

Or even off to BBC Watchdog.

 

EVO had a long Term Polo GTI before and it used Oil. No big deal to them.

Then they do this review and no mention of any issues.

Just advice on Tuning.

 

An Interesting recent comment posted after the article from 'Tiny 1138' and from another Briskoda Member.

http://evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/252097/vw_polo_gti_review.html

 

george

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

Standardised MARTIN LEWIS FORMAT MAY HELP. Only a thought but I back you 100% as you know. You are well equipped to take this forward but with OWNERS HELP AND SUPPORT.

Should have said Owners and Previous Owners also!

I've just recently became a vRS owner and I will whole-heartedly support this initiative - it would be amazing (and justified) to have the official statement to give us "peace of mind" in case we are victim of the issue..

Long overdue

 

VAG EXPOSED for continuing to sale a product ,that continues to have failures and Customers pay the price.

 

VAG NOT COMING CLEAN, WITH AN OPEN AND HONEST EXPLANATION FOR PROBLEMS AND FAILURES.

 

GETTING AWAY WITHOUT A RECALL, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS LOW VOLUME SALE.

 

THE PRIZE WINNING POWERPLANT , NOT SO GOOD NOW AND NOT HIGHLIGHTED BY THE MOTORING PRESS THAT SO PRAISED IT IN THE BEGINING.

 

WHERE ARE THEY NOW WHEN THE CUTOMERS NEED THERE SUPPORT AFTER FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD.

MANY ON THIS SITE HAVE EXPRESS ISSUES WITH THE MK2 vRS.

 

However, that being said I don't see many of them backing your drive to get the issues in the face of the Motoring Press or the VAG operation !

 

With  ALL the time and effort you have given, trying to help fellow owners or indeed past owners you deserve much better support than that which is shown currently.

 

Perhaps VAG have been successful in the strategy to totally frustrate the owners of said wheels -and they will go away. (in polite terms)

 

Lets just hope, that someone with the BALLS and guilt in the appropriate place, can make something happen to expose the outright dismissal of The CUSTOMERS(WHO ARE KING) by the VAG operation . :wonder: 

Let me know what i can do. How to word things etc.

Th3Grinch

Bullet point your experience.

 

Engine oil consumption issues.

 

Have you had an engine or half engine change. Spec/ build of engine i.e. CAVE

 

What other experience with Dealership relating to any of the above for starters I guess , so that sk4gw can add you too his data sheets.

 

That would be a good start I guess.

 

Cheers

Would be great if people added their experiences in more detail here!

Why pro-actively try to bring out bad press against the brand? All that would do is damage residuals so damaging your own investments.

Chicken and egg.

 

Before you have worries about Residuals & Selling you have to buy,  so we are doing Buyers a Favour if it was killing Residuals.

 

But residuals stayed better than most and cars never losing 48 % or more like many VAG cars did in 3 years and still do.

 

Skoda, VW, Seat & Audi sold some Lemons from 2009-2012 with CAVE Engines,

Out of 1,800 Fabia MK2 vRS, Hundreds of engines have been replaced.

 

Forum posts have Helped Warn People, Helped them get their cars fixed, & helped the Car Engines be changed and made more Reliable.

 

Secrets and pretending there is nothing wrong is the volkswagen Groups way, if its what you believe in then fair enough.

 

Personally i think Manufacturers that Con Customers should be exposed.

Others can bother about people selling there car, i will continue to think about those that want to keep theirs, 

use them as they wanted to after paying out.

 

Residuals will not be hit if the cars are running OK & the VWG bands are open on the Failures & just how many they are going to put right,

thats even with ones now out of the Original Warranty that they know where fitted with poorly manufactured parts.

 

george

Why pro-actively try to bring out bad press against the brand? All that would do is damage residuals so damaging your own investments.

Right on the money. Fortunately for those who have bought a vRS, most prospective buyers may only arrive here AFTER they have bought, As to Skoda / VAG what possible reason couldt they have for fuelling George's or VRSKeith's vendetta?

 

Reading this forum, you can can entirely see why Skoda would want to steer clear of the "Boy Racer" market in future.

Edited 15 July, 201411 yr by vxh26

You see they Started Selling the Ibiza Cupra Twnchargers in 2009 & still sell them.

The vRS & Polo GTI in 2010 & the A1 185 in 2011.

 

Maybe they should have done something quicker than in 3 years to address the Faults and Apologise.

Maybe they should have done a Service Campaign & not forced owners with issues to jump through hoops.

MAYBE THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD OWNERS THAT BOUGHT CARS HAVING TO PUT THEM BACK IN THE USED CAR MARKET WHILE STILL FAULTY, 

& HAD SO MANY CARS NOW ON 2nd & 3rd OWNERS, OUT OF ORIGINAL WARRANTY & STILL WITH FAULTY ENGINES.

 

Maybe they should use more people like VXH 26 to big them up online while putting down the likes of me that try to help people that got stung.

Somone like me that has bought and kept and ran Twinchargers and really like what they have to offer when running right.

 

VXH26,  

you are a Troll i believe., you have never offered assistance from personal experience or knowledge to anyone ever looking to Buy or Sell a Twincharger.

Your total Positive Input seems to be linking & Reposting  a VIN Checker from another World Region you found that someone else had posted.

Your sole interest appears to be taking part in the threads as a wind up.

Can buy, have not bought and will not buy, but will be a fan of the vehicles other have or a VWG Fanboy.

 

Yours is a Campaign to take the Pith out of me,

which is perfectly OK with me.

I will continue to Troll Skoda & the VWG over the Twinchargers & the DQ200 DSG until they do the right thing,

& recently they appear to be.

Maybe nothing to do with my Campaign to Reveal their Behaviour, but if it did get to some of the Skoda & VW Senior Mangement,

then i am fine with that.

 

 

But to Big Up the Volkswagen Group or Skoda is Ridiculous really where they were hiding the faults from their Design , Manufactureing and Dealing with owners.

 

THERE IS A VW POLO GTI TO BE LAUNCHED IN 2015, BUT THAT IS MAYBE NOT FOR THE BOY RACER MARKET,

OR THE NEW AUDI S1, 

They are maybe for the market that have not heard of VWG's Failures and treatment of Current Owners that bought new or Used 

cars they Built just in the past 5 years.

Back in  2009 before the Introduction & Release of the 2009 180 ps Twincharger the Volkswagen Group knew there were Engine Management issues

& ECU Updates were required.

They Released the new Engines & Engine Management, there were Failures from Early on and they still failed to address that or Admit the Failings and the Reasons,

they just left Buyers & Owners fighting to get the problems resolved.

the Volkswagen Group still in July 2014 have Employees saying the Problems are Over Blown.

 

http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/9708563/german-giants-little-engine-kaput

 

Australian Press & Honest John appear to be the Only Media that are prepared to cover Failing in the VW Built Engines,

other than Forum Members.

 

http://honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/29165/excessive-oil-consumption-in-a-1-4-tsi

http://honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/skoda/fabia-vrs-2010/?section=good

Blah blah blah

I agree with your sentiment George as unlike some other forum users I've felt the disappointment, anger and frustration that comes with jumping through SUK's hoops.

"Your vrs has engine trouble? Really? Well that's a shock to us! We did warn you it might use a bit of oil... here's some pointless tests to answer the questions we already know the answers to if you wouldn't mind making 5 trips to and from your dealership."

I have to say though, the dealership have been good so far, it's just the procedures that are bugging me!

I have come to the conclusion that there is no real issue.

 

Skoda made a cracking little oil burner in the mk1 Fabia VRS.

Loads of people moaned that the new mk2 VRS wasn't also an oil burner.

 

Now it is.

 

?

I have come to the conclusion that there is no real issue.

 

Skoda made a cracking little oil burner in the mk1 Fabia VRS.

Loads of people moaned that the new mk2 VRS wasn't also an oil burner.

 

Now it is.

 

?

Perhaps you could bring your influence to bear, on the motoring press, to help troubled owners of Fabia MK2 "OIL BURNERS then

Perhaps you could bring your influence to bear, on the motoring press, to help troubled owners of Fabia MK2 "OIL BURNERS then

 

Like anyone really cares what I think...

I think mine converts oil into petrol, like some sort of Jesus car. I'll find out next week hopefully.

How many years did Rover produce the k-series head gasket eater without a recall?

I sympathise with anyone experiencing issues but I'm not exactly sure what the end result of this - for lack of a better word - crusade is supposed to be?

 

Some sort of apology in the motoring press from VAG?

A quarter page written by the motoring press detailing the issues?

A 5 minute piece on a TV programme?

 

Would any of those solve the issues? No. 

Would they make you feel better if you're experiencing the issues? Probably not.

Are they going to reduce resale values further? more than likely.

Are they going to harm new sales? of course.

Are they going to create a longer waiting list for issues to be sorted due to all the new people booking their cars in "'cos I saw something on the telly"? Yes

 

From what I've read yes there are hoops to jump through to get cars investigated and fixed but when problems are found dealers are doing everything to sort them out.
Yes they start with the small stuff and work their way up to a potential full engine change but who wouldn't?

And yes that may require half a dozen trips to the dealers but what more can they do?

Recall every twincharge engine car for a problem that it may or may not have?

Sorry but everything is not being done to sort things out at Many Skoda Dealerships.

 

Or the assistance given by Skoda UK Customer Services that great in many cases.

Or the answers given Truthful or available in writing.

Misinformation is common on matters like the DVLA, covering the cost of your out of pocket expenses and Extending Warranties.

 

It has been each man / women for their self in many cases,

& that was the same last week, and will be this week.

 

Yes a Statement on the Failures of the 1.4 TSI Twincharger Engines would be a start.

& a Statement on how Owners should Proceed.

Also more Instructions to all Dealerships dealing with the Engines with a high chance of failure.

 

1,800 CAVE engine cars in the UK sold 2010-2012

& ones required Field Actions at the Inspection Service, 2 years/20,00 miles and all did not receive that,

or Owners made aware of any requirements.

 

Owners were are are being told, 'They all do that',  'That is Acceptable',  Within Tolerances etc etc 

 

So After 100's of the 1,800 vRS have now had replacement engines, or rebuilt Engines & Replacement Engines,

or 2 new engines,

How many are there for Skoda to deal with now.?

Or of the ones OK up to now, how many could do with the latest ECU Update?

I'm not stirring things up or looking to argue George I'm just going on what I've read.

I thought the number of "I've had such and such changed" or "I've had an engine replacement" threads outnumbered the "Skoda refuse to do anything so I'm having to buy 5 litres of oil a month" threads.

I also assume (probably naively) that both of those are outnumbered by members with no problems who don't post a thread stating as such.

 

Like I said I sympathise with anyone who has (or has had) issues.

I know it's frustrating enough when the local Seat dealer ignore my calls about replacing the boot light let alone if the problem was more serious

 

I guess I'm just wondering what you expect in return for all your effort and vitriole.

Although never struck by the looks of the mkII I have  been tempted to buy one and have kept reading the various high oil usage threads on here.

 

The uncertainty of getting a good one in the first place followed by how you might be treated by a dealer if you get a bad one is enough to put anyone off.  Anyone looking into a new or second hand one of these cars will do some research and quite rightly be put off by what they read on the internet.  A statement by VAG saying they know what the problem is, how to fix it and to warranty all such engines for 100k miles would restore confidence in used and new prices. 

 

Have VAG or anyone got to the root cause of the oil usage yet?

I sympathise with anyone experiencing issues but I'm not exactly sure what the end result of this - for lack of a better word - crusade is supposed to be?

 

Some sort of apology in the motoring press from VAG?

A quarter page written by the motoring press detailing the issues?

A 5 minute piece on a TV programme?

 

Would any of those solve the issues? No. 

Would they make you feel better if you're experiencing the issues? Probably not.

Are they going to reduce resale values further? more than likely.

Are they going to harm new sales? of course.

Are they going to create a longer waiting list for issues to be sorted due to all the new people booking their cars in "'cos I saw something on the telly"? Yes

 

From what I've read yes there are hoops to jump through to get cars investigated and fixed but when problems are found dealers are doing everything to sort them out.

Yes they start with the small stuff and work their way up to a potential full engine change but who wouldn't?

And yes that may require half a dozen trips to the dealers but what more can they do?

Recall every twincharge engine car for a problem that it may or may not have?

From what you have read on here, would you say that VAG and Skoda have treated their CUSTOMERS FAIRLY, knowing that the inherent problems exist and continue to exist in about 10 -20% of sold and still selling products!

 

Bearing in mind that above 2% rejection rate, in the global automotive manufacturing industry is unacceptable.

 

Indeed as a previous supplier to such Global Blue chip business' a rejection rate of such would have meant a total replacement with GOOD QUALITY SUPPLY. 

 

SO WHY DON'T VAG act similarly to there customers rejections by 100% recall which is the standard within their industry.( why not costs and image!)

 

Smacks  of double standards on a huge   scale here!