Popped down to Ant at AP today to have my map tweaked to take advantage of the PD150 hybrid at last after finally getting my FMIC sorted.

 

I'm very impressed with the results! The car has a noticeable amount more pull, and it's a struggle to get it down on the tarmac when it's not completely dry. I'm impressed with the Shark mapping, and Ant was a pleasure as always - highly recommended!

 

Surprisingly I'm still on my standard clutch too! No slipping whatsoever, and I've given it some serious stick on the way home let me tell you!! I can afford a new clutch, but I'm going to wait until this one packs in or starts slipping - might as well get my monies worth!! Then it's Helix & SMF conversion for me :-)

 

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Ant at AP really is a top guy.

What figures did you make out of curiosity?

What figures did you make out of curiosity?

 

Ant doesn't have RR facilities at his place. He's an authorised dealer for Shark though, so the map is really smooth with no noticeable flat spots or excessive smoke.

 

I've been informed that it should be running around 220bhp & 330ft/lbs, possibly a bit more.

 

I think I'll get a power run done at some point just to see what it's making out of curiosity. However, I can tell you for a fact that it's noticeably quicker than before the tweak was done (running around 200bhp & 290ft/lbs prior to today). Just been out for a drive around roads that I'm usually on, and it's only when I went on these roads that I realised how much quicker it was!! Put a proper smile on my face :-)

Sounds good Alex!

Is there any room for any more after a clutch?

My standard clutch map was about 190bhp, the lower map is 204bhp and the high one is 244bhp. I run the high one all the time it's absolutely amazing!

What boost pressure you running Dan?

 

I've been told that 220bhp is about the norm for PD150 hybrids? I'm assuming that means ATFW not ATW power.

 

Do you have the maps on a STS type thing so you can switch? I'd never run a lower powered one if I didn't have to ha ha!

 

Perhaps it's that Shark want to make sure it's not pushing the turbo too much for long-term reliability???

 

Need to get ours side by side and see what the difference is, seeing as they have the same turbo....

What boost pressure you running Dan?

I've been told that 220bhp is about the norm for PD150 hybrids? I'm assuming that means ATFW not ATW power.

Do you have the maps on a STS type thing so you can switch? I'd never run a lower powered one if I didn't have to ha ha!

Perhaps it's that Shark want to make sure it's not pushing the turbo too much for long-term reliability???

Need to get ours side by side and see what the difference is, seeing as they have the same turbo....

Not to sure mate what's yours?

Mine is 226bhp at the wheels. They are switchable via vagcom lite, easily enough

Quite possibly so, have you got a billet week in yours? Apparently the billet is stronger and can hold more boost compared to a standard one.

They do a GTB2260 with a billet wheel which is amazing!

Mine is 226bhp at the wheels.

 

What mods have you done out of interest?

 

Take if you've done a bit more than the basic stage 2 and hybrid to get that sort of power @ the wheels? That would equate to around 250-260bhp @ the fly removing the 12-15% transmission losses.

 

Not meaning to **** on your parade by any means, just sounds a rather high @ the wheels figure for one of these unless it's had some serious work done

What mods have you done out of interest?

Take if you've done a bit more than the basic stage 2 and hybrid to get that sort of power @ the wheels? That would equate to around 250-260bhp @ the fly removing the 12-15% transmission losses.

Not meaning to **** on your parade by any means, just sounds a rather high @ the wheels figure for one of these unless it's had some serious work done

Hybrid PD150 turbo with billet wheel

Seat Sport FMIC with my own pipework

Custom exhaust system decat with 1 silencer

Cone filter

PD150 head bolts

Helix clutch & SMF

Mapping by Dirty Torque

It ran 244bhp and 245bhp at the fly wheel on CC Tunings dyno about 3 weeks ago. It's known as an accurate dyno and even Jason (devonutopia) recommends it.

I have dyno graphs to prove. The billet wheel being stronger means I can run more boost than the basic hybrid. You may question reliability, but the bloke who built the turbo was more than happy for it to be ran at higher boost.

It does seem like a high figure but in not the first to get a high figure from a stage 2 hybrid. Your welcome to contact CC tuning to see if it's true - you wouldn't be the first!

Great to hear your happy with it Alex

What boost pressure you running ....

dans car is rapid!

Peaks at just over 2bar iirc,its running a 4 bar MAP sensor which most PD150 hybrid cars don't.

If your still on the standard MAP sensor (3 bar) the max safe boost to run is 1.85 bar

Dyno lottery!

Who cares aslong as its good on the road wouldn't get too hung up on it!

My 150 hybrid made 200bhp on a local rolling road! On the road it was awesome so was i bothered? Nope!!

Nice to hear Alex. I run a 4 bar MAP sensor too.

 

If you plan to RR it then let me know, I would like to run mine again.

Not to sure mate what's yours?

Mine is 226bhp at the wheels. They are switchable via vagcom lite, easily enough

Quite possibly so, have you got a billet week in yours? Apparently the billet is stronger and can hold more boost compared to a standard one.

They do a GTB2260 with a billet wheel which is amazing!

 

I asked Ant about boost pressures yesterday, and he said it'll now be running about 1.8bar. It was running about 1.5bar at about 200bhp, so if yours is running 2 bar then that adds up to your power really.

 

Not too sure if mine is built like this or not. All I know is that it came direct from Garrett, as they didn't have any on the shelf and had to build it on request.

 

If I'm honest, the power I'm running now is difficult to put down on anything but dry roads. So before I even contemplate more power, I'm going to completely replace all the front suspension components and bearings, then it'll be time for a LSD. After all that's been done then MAYBE I'll consider a GTB2260VK & injectors...  As it currently is though, there's no point at all in more power!

 

I'd definitely be interested in seeing how much quicker yours is though Dan :-)  Sounds like a weapon!

 

 

 

Nice to hear Alex. I run a 4 bar MAP sensor too.

 

If you plan to RR it then let me know, I would like to run mine again.

 

Cheers mate I will give you a shout if I do! Definitely would like to at some point soon'ish.

Your telling me, mine is very easy to spin up. You'll have to take mine out for a spin see what you think

Kevs got an LSD fitted in his, **** the bed that thing gets the power down. The 0-60 he did must have been about 5 seconds and that was in the wet, the speedo moved to quick to count lol!

I was chatting to BD Performance about an LSD for mine the other day, when the time comes I'm going g to get a quote from him for one

Your telling me, mine is very easy to spin up. You'll have to take mine out for a spin see what you think

Kevs got an LSD fitted in his, **** the bed that thing gets the power down. The 0-60 he did must have been about 5 seconds and that was in the wet, the speedo moved to quick to count lol!

I was chatting to BD Performance about an LSD for mine the other day, when the time comes I'm going g to get a quote from him for one

think ill have to give you abit of a follow around sometime to see how much im off the mark in mine lol

Oh and 1.5bar is standard pd150 boost pressure so thats 150bhp

Remapped pd130 power is generally 1.6 bar iirc

Hybrid power is anywhere from 1.8-2.0 bar

Hybrid PD150 turbo with billet wheel

Seat Sport FMIC with my own pipework

Custom exhaust system decat with 1 silencer

Cone filter

PD150 head bolts

Helix clutch & SMF

Mapping by Dirty Torque

It ran 244bhp and 245bhp at the fly wheel on CC Tunings dyno about 3 weeks ago. It's known as an accurate dyno and even Jason (devonutopia) recommends it.

I have dyno graphs to prove. The billet wheel being stronger means I can run more boost than the basic hybrid. You may question reliability, but the bloke who built the turbo was more than happy for it to be ran at higher boost.

It does seem like a high figure but in not the first to get a high figure from a stage 2 hybrid. Your welcome to contact CC tuning to see if it's true - you wouldn't be the first!

That's cool, I don't disbelieve you by any means I know some cars respond very well to tuning and often give more than you'd expect. I bet the single mass flywheel and the ability to run more boost without destroying it and the clutch helps. Need an LSD next to actually put all that power to good use  That would be my next mod, having driven a car with an LSD before the difference is phenomenal!

That's cool, I don't disbelieve you by any means I know some cars respond very well to tuning and often give more than you'd expect. I bet the single mass flywheel and the ability to run more boost without destroying it and the clutch helps. Need an LSD next to actually put all that power to good use That would be my next mod, having driven a car with an LSD before the difference is phenomenal!

I know mate seems that a few people did though lol, can't get much more proof than a dyno print out. A stage 1 mapped Fabia on the same day also made 173bhp and a Clio 182 turbo which had previously been dyno'd at 298bhp made 294bhp

The SMF and updated clutch just means I don't have to worry about using the power and torque at low rpm. LSD is on the list but they are quite expensive. :(

I won't lie, I've always booted the car from low revs since I've owned it, and my standard clutch is coping fine. Granted, the release bearing is making the clutch occasionally drag slightly, but it's never slipped once (touchwood!). When it starts slipping eventually I'll think about replacing!

 

That Clio must've been a beast!!! I used to be a massive Clio fan - I've had 4 Mk1's with 2 litre conversions done by me. Says something about the longevity of the shell and arches by me saying I've had 4 (and not one of them was crashed) doesn't it!!!

 

Defo need an LSD. In anything but dry weather, 2nd and 3rd gear are not easy!!!

I ran my standard clutch for over a year (about 15000-20000miles) at around 215bhp and 320lb/f and when I replaced it it still had plenty of meat left on it. Only reason I replaced it was cause I had the money sitting there and I wanted a lsd to be able to put the power down better. Along as you don't floor it at 1500 rpm it.should last you a while.