clutch kit conversion

[LuckyvRS20vT]

I have a noisy thrust bearing.. So while I rip it to bits I want to fit the solid flywheel conversion (I hate dual mass flywheel!)

 

What do I need to do this? 

 

Shopping list please guys...... 

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that someone on here got a vr6 clutch kit for 66 quid???

 

Or does anyone do a complete kit?? 

 

Cheers 

[crapcable]

dont do it mate. my golf ended up with bad crank bearing,plus bad input shaft bearing because of a SMF conversion. the springs are there for a reason.some cars are ok with it,but some arent

ps: it was the vr6 kit i bought so take my advice if your car means a lot to you. why do you hate the dmf anyway.whats there to hate?

Edited 10 February, 2014 by crapcable

[LuckyvRS20vT]

When I fitted 24v conversion in my e30 I binned the dual mass... heavy, lazy things. Took a little getting used to when pulling off but nowt major...

 

Are solid fly' s that bad for these? 

[michael1]

I've never heard of any negatives aside from crapcable. I too can think of lots to hate. Expensive to replace when they inevitably fail, overcomplicated and unnecessary.. they're not made to last as it's not in the interests of the car manufacturers. I know of a few 1.8ts done with no negatives and also just did my mum's on her 06 opel 1.3cdti after the 3rd DMF failed in under 100k miles.

[crapcable]

how expensive? a dmf plus clutch kit LUK etc only £430 nowadays? 

go for it though. everyone to their own i suppose

[michael1]

I think that's a lot considering perfect cars are going for around £1500 these days.

I do get what you mean, however, it's possible that something else happened your car to do the damage or that it was weakened previously. I don't really know how a DMF would be harder on the bearings if it was properly balanced.

What flywheel did you use?

[Nerd]

much nicer to drive in traffic or on SMF- much lighter pedal feel. There's no reason why smf would damage the engine, DMF is just to make for easy gear changes with higher torque if you;re not used to driving something with more power. Much prefer mine with the SMF on- I no longer need a knee support to drive it

[crapcable]

No way is there ANY difference in feel between a dmf and smf!e

Apart from feeling vibrations with smf of course. You're experiencing a new clutch not difference in flywheels

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[crapcable]

I think that's a lot considering perfect cars are going for around £1500 these days.

I do get what you mean, however, it's possible that something else happened your car to do the damage or that it was weakened previously. I don't really know how a DMF would be harder on the bearings if it was properly balanced.

What flywheel did you use?

Are you meaning the smf I had with VR6 kit?I honestly can't remember,but if it's important to you,I'll check my emails/bills

Ps: it was a G60 SMF . car was golf tdi ATD/EUH.

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Edited 10 February, 2014 by crapcable

[David 8]

No way is there ANY difference in feel between a dmf and smf!e

Apart from feeling vibrations with smf of course. You're experiencing a new clutch not difference in flywheels

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Yes there is a difference in feel, lighter and slightly harder to change smoothly although not difficult to adapt to DMF allows you to be lazy.

 

And the vibrations don't effect the petrol engine like the derv

 

Are you meaning the smf I had with VR6 kit?I honestly can't remember,but if it's important to you,I'll check my emails/bills Ps: it was a G60 SMF . car was golf tdi ATD/EUH. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk

[mk1pat]

I have just completed this,

 

To answer your questions:

 

Clutch for £66.99 that was me... go to car parts for less,they are owned and run by euro car parts. Once you get to the check out put in CP5LESS in the voucher redemption area.

 

The clutch is a a lots lighter probably just under half they weight. The clutch bites so tight its great! Makes the car so much for drivable,

 

Rattles: don't seem to have any, other than my broken dogbone mount (which is being done today)

 

I dont hate the DMF i hate the price tag!

 

I did this conversion for £205 all in with genuine flywheel and SACHS clutch. Why is the DMF worth an extra £1000? Its not in my opinion, that will go nicely towards a bike for the summer, my license is burning a hole in my pocket! lol

 

 

cheers

[Nerd]

No way is there ANY difference in feel between a dmf and smf!e

Apart from feeling vibrations with smf of course. You're experiencing a new clutch not difference in flywheels

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I've driven 6 or 7 cars of different makes, fuels and engine sizes that have had smf conversions- THEY ARE ALL LIGHTER, THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL. This is the whole point of a Dual Mass- they FEEL different- THEY ARE EASIER TO CHANGE GEAR.

 

You had a bad experience on 1 car because of a fault that more than likely had nothing to do with the flywheel. Almost every single vehicle over 5 years old in the modified car scene has had an SMF conversion from DMF (if they came standard) and I can hands down say that I have never, ever heard of a single one of those owners say the flywheel has damaged anything- not changing gears correctly, trying to do burnouts- yes! But not the mechanicals doing actual damage you use them right. HIgh Power and SMF= learn to double de clutch

Edited 11 February, 2014 by Nerd

[David 8]

 HIgh Power and SMF= learn to double de clutch

 

That method is for vehicles without a syncromesh , nothing to do with the clutch and flywheel 

[Nerd]

What are you talking about David? Double declutching simply fully disengages the clutch and allows the engine to get to a similar rpm of the lower gear- has nothing to do with sync or not

 

SHould add I'm I'm not talking about downshifting to decelerate, I'm talking about downshifting to accelerate

Edited 11 February, 2014 by Nerd

[David 8]

Regardless you still don't need to double de clutch with an SMF on these cars no matter what you are trying to do. Your talking about rev matching. You can fully disengage the clutch with one press of the pedal. De clutching is a method used pre synchromesh on what they used to call crash boxes because if you didn't de clutch the gears would crash together. A bit before my time really ...old skool

If your downshifting then maybe a slight bit of rev matching depending on the speed difference to stop the feeling of the gearbox trying to jump out of the engine bay and getting into the powerband your after

[Nerd]

So every person who double declutches is wrong according to you? I'll let the 90-100 people I know who were taught it do it during track lessons that they are wrong and it's completely unnecessary. The higher the torque you have the more necessary it is- yes you can match revs with a single press but it will not fully disengage and you have no where near enough time to match revs unless you properly granny shift on a single depress, the complete disengagement and extra second of gear change then allows you to increase RPM to match the lower gear- dropping from 5th to 3rd for example with a difference of 2000RPM on the flywheel. You should only double declutch on a dog box? Er no - you HAVE to double declutch a Dog box or you'll break your elbow slamming in it. They aren't old school- you still use them in high power applications and drag racing, 1 firm in Australia specialises in making them for Scoobies and Evo's

[Nerd]

In fact it;s such a common practice there's memes for it- granny shifting is a single declutch and 'because racecar' is just a saying in the modifying world- doesn't mean an actual racing car.

 

And this is a seriously old meme- got a couple more but this was the first I found about it.

 

[michael1]

Oh right.....

[LuckyvRS20vT]

Regardless you still don't need to double de clutch with an SMF on these cars no matter what you are trying to do. Your talking about rev matching. You can fully disengage the clutch with one press of the pedal. De clutching is a method used pre synchromesh on what they used to call crash boxes because if you didn't de clutch the gears would crash together. A bit before my time really ...old skool

If your downshifting then maybe a slight bit of rev matching depending on the speed difference to stop the feeling of the gearbox trying to jump out of the engine bay and getting into the powerband your after

I do this for the above mentioned reason.. if done correctly or more to the point, in time ... it can make for a smooth transition between gears... plus with that REV -WOOSHH in between downshifts sounds soo feckin nice lol..

Well I'm hooked :-)

 

But basically yes, all you are doing, or all I'm doing in that situation is rev matching and keeping her on the boil so to speak In the rev range.. it  Not needed on these box's but it's just my style when I'm on it :-D

[David 8]

So every person who double declutches is wrong according to you? I'll let the 90-100 people I know who were taught it do it during track lessons that they are wrong and it's completely unnecessary. The higher the torque you have the more necessary it is- yes you can match revs with a single press but it will not fully disengage and you have no where near enough time to match revs unless you properly granny shift on a single depress, the complete disengagement and extra second of gear change then allows you to increase RPM to match the lower gear- dropping from 5th to 3rd for example with a difference of 2000RPM on the flywheel. You should only double declutch on a dog box? Er no - you HAVE to double declutch a Dog box or you'll break your elbow slamming in it. They aren't old school- you still use them in high power applications and drag racing, 1 firm in Australia specialises in making them for Scoobies and Evo's

 

 

Which back to my original point has nothing to do with the clutch and flywheel, you're talking about a gearbox and the method used on such a box, which doesn't apply here on a normal road car spec, yeah sure you can do it if you go the whole F&F style of screaming down the road, but these cars are fitted with a normal operation box not a dog box, which is similar the the crash box they ran on old lorries hence the need to DDC on both type of these boxes. So we are kind of on the same wavelength.

[David 8]

I do this for the above mentioned reason.. if done correctly or more to the point, in time ... it can make for a smooth transition between gears... plus with that REV -WOOSHH in between downshifts sounds soo feckin nice lol..

Well I'm hooked :-)

 

But basically yes, all you are doing, or all I'm doing in that situation is rev matching and keeping her on the boil so to speak In the rev range.. it  Not needed on these box's but it's just my style when I'm on it :-D

 

 

Pretty much my point .....F&F style 

 

 

I've seen you drive lol

[LuckyvRS20vT]

Oh I remember.... I'm an animal hahaha 

[missingmyvrs]

There are arguments that smf can cause issue but only if running a sturdily light one with an unsprung clutch and normally associated with a crank pulley failing

Harmonics Is what kills them

[LuckyvRS20vT]

That's my feeling on them.. loose the sprung flywheel - gain a sprung clutch plate... 

[mk1pat]

great glad we got this sorted!