Hi guys,

 

Just wondering, if I were to replace my failing KKK with a hybrid 130 (http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/md446-stage-2-hybrid-turbo-for-vag-19tdi-130bhp-engines-p-2743.html) and obviously get it mapped in correctly - with my stock 84k mileage engine will I be able to go any further than my current map of 170/300? 

 

Obviously the hybrid is designed to be stronger than OEM so running what I am currently will be even safer (although it is a safe smooth map anyway) but reading up about heatsoak, FMIC and pipework etc. starts to make me wonder if it would be a slippery slope to spending more and more on what I want to be a "fun" everyday drive with the fuel economy to back it up.

 

If I could go for 200bhp on stock setup + this hybrid turbo I'd be happy. I understand to get it up the revs before giving it any beans will improve the clutch's longevity.

 

 

Standard cooler struggles with anymore than you've got now.

And it seems so do some clutches/flywheels, not every one though as some users on here are running 2.2bar of boost through gtb turbos and still run standard clutch and flywheel happily.

If you can keep your foot up you will still see 50mpg easily on a daily drive with a modified vrs

Something like this would help with that? 

 

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/upgraded-side-mount-intercooler-for-1-9-8v-tdi-engines.html

 

Argh its a downwards spiral! Money wise

Something like this would help with that? 

 

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/upgraded-side-mount-intercooler-for-1-9-8v-tdi-engines.html

 

Argh its a downwards spiral! Money wise

 

Nope, it won't fit without faffing about (Read the line above "these are in stock...." in the ad)... More, it won't fit without "original" faffing about.... As I don't know of anyone who's added one to a Fabia.

 

Better to fit FMIC and hybrid and map at, or almost at, the same time. Though IMO you could fit the hybrid and get it mapped even with the SMIC. To make the most of it, though, you'd then need to get FMIC and another remap.

 

J.

Been looking at what xman can do.

 

The choices are a PD170 hybrid good for 190-210bhp. Pipework fill fit, just needs new gaskets and usual new turbo stuff.

 

Then theres the GTB option, needs bigger pipework, actuator location adjustment generally more setting up by the looks. Good for 220-240 or something.

 

I'm pulling my hair out deciding lol, but deep down I think the pd170 would be more sensible...however if I do go for a fmic - then you may as well get a kit that come with the pipework..which will fit the GTB turbo lol

All comes down to money as usual!

Any way you go you will find a limiting factor...

Big turbo needs big intercooler, then needs big injectors, then needs different clutch and flywheel.

Unless your planning on big power is stick to the pd170 which I'm purchasing very soon also.

Yes, just been thinking about it and the 170 will give me all round less problems. Next thing to think about is stock intercooler or front mounted...better pipes or will the stock cope with the 170 turbo. 

I plan on keeping stock injectors and a new but stock dual mass flywheel and clutch. Plan on fitting the new turbo and front mount intercooler, decat piper exhaust and different air intake

I'd be happy with around 200bhp but don't know if I'll get it.

I've not read very good things on the xman turbos. But you could get lucky

200bhp sounds a nice number...which fmic comes most recommended? Guessing that means pipework too. Darkside want £280ish for the kit. More money lol.

 

Really? Everything I have read has been positive

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I've not read very good things on the xman turbos. But you could get lucky

Any links to the bad ones?

I've been in a fabia vrs (Matt Dixons) and he says all is well, the only downside I've read is having to set up the actuator. Everyone els says it's great tbh

To get the benefits of your hybrid, you will need FMIC sport cat/decat and correct mapping.

 

Have a word with Alex_e3, we did his for him 12 months ago

Ok, well felicia on here said he could decat and weld a lookalike in its place (stock exhaust is fine I'm guessing?) 

 

As for FMIC, what is recommended as a good flower, easy to fix and plays well without changing all my pipework?

Any links to the bad ones?

I've been in a fabia vrs (Matt Dixons) and he says all is well, the only downside I've read is having to set up the actuator. Everyone els says it's great tbh

Ill see what I can find. The first thread I read, the guy had the turbo fitted and it failed within 2 days. Admittedly it's been a year so things may have improved

Brilliant, thanks

Turbo failure is a tricky one, people cut corners on oil feed pipes and filter changes, as well as not cleaning pipe work out. They see the word warranty and think it covers everything!

All feedback is worth checking though!

Ok I'm settled on the PD170 and a decat. Already done the EGR.

 

Gonna try with the stock SMIC as the FMICs seem quite expensive. Apparently the darkside FMIC doesn't flow too well? For short bursts I've been told the stock intercooler should be ok. I'd be aiming for 200bhp 

Keep updated how you get on then! Sounds like we're going to have similar setups with similar aims.

When my standard turbo blew, Ant at AP fitted a PD150 hybrid for me, along with a Piper de-cat pipe at the same time. Due to finances I could only afford the turbo at the time, so had to run a SMIC and standard clutch setup.

 

Despite numerous people on here saying I'd suffer heat soak and limp mode, I didn't have a single problem and the car ran fine! In about 8 months of being at that state of tune, I managed to put it into limp mode once, when I had a car full of people. I also had no problems with the clutch. This level of tune gave me about 200bhp and around 290ft/lbs. Since then I managed to get hold of a Forge FMIC setup. I then had the map tweaked to full stage 2 level, and produced 220bhp and over 300ft/lbs on CC Tuning's rolling road. Still no problems with standard clutch, and this includes often booting it from low revs, including in 6th gear.

 

Lately, I've decided to put my car back to standard and sell up. I've sold my exhaust and FMIC setup and put the standard items back on. The high boost map is still on. I was under the impression that I was going to be suffering loads of heat soak and was worried about putting it into limp mode. However, I can genuinely say that I've not noticed any major heat soak and it's never gone into limp mode! Shark and AP have done a stirling job of the mapping obviously  As soon as I find a BLT turbo it's going completely back to standard though...

Cheers for that so its only really gonna have problems at track days or extended periods of driving...in fun mode.

 

So for the initial setup it sounds like the SMIC will do, and a front mount can be added later if needed/when funds allow. 

GTB doesn't have to equal big turbo but it does mean that it's easier to go down that route in the future. I'd prefer a non-modified turbo myself but don't the PD170 hybrids have the gen 3 VNT? that's nice

Mmm so far the only thread I read on seat that had results ended with it dying..but then again it sounded like he rushed the turbo install.

Anyone found any results on the pd170 turbo.

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When my standard turbo blew, Ant at AP fitted a PD150 hybrid for me, along with a Piper de-cat pipe at the same time. Due to finances I could only afford the turbo at the time, so had to run a SMIC and standard clutch setup.

Despite numerous people on here saying I'd suffer heat soak and limp mode, I didn't have a single problem and the car ran fine! In about 8 months of being at that state of tune, I managed to put it into limp mode once, when I had a car full of people. I also had no problems with the clutch. This level of tune gave me about 200bhp and around 290ft/lbs. Since then I managed to get hold of a Forge FMIC setup. I then had the map tweaked to full stage 2 level, and produced 220bhp and over 300ft/lbs on CC Tuning's rolling road. Still no problems with standard clutch, and this includes often booting it from low revs, including in 6th gear.

Lately, I've decided to put my car back to standard and sell up. I've sold my exhaust and FMIC setup and put the standard items back on. The high boost map is still on. I was under the impression that I was going to be suffering loads of heat soak and was worried about putting it into limp mode. However, I can genuinely say that I've not noticed any major heat soak and it's never gone into limp mode! Shark and AP have done a stirling job of the mapping obviously As soon as I find a BLT turbo it's going completely back to standard though...

Was the exhaust standard apart from decat or was that already modified??