Confessions of an Oil user.

[vrskeith]

Scaremongering is not a word I can relate to, as we know by reading the many threads, that 1  in 10 owners have had "real problems" with their pride and joy.

 

Under those circumstance ,those that have experienced and suffered immense frustration at the hands of dealers and Skoda UK but have been able to get a result for themselves, by having  developed a process to overcome , in many cases the unhelpful support of the dealers and Skoda UK.

 

To that end a few of us, with genuine hands on experience of such treatment ,feel that it's only right to help fellow member suffering in their plight. 

 

So I'm sorry if that seems negative to the 80-90% HAPPY owners but out there in the "real world" 10 -20% fellow owners are suffering, when they really shouldn't be.   

 

So there will  be no apology from me, in assisting and guiding others to get some form of resolution.

 

"There but for the grace of God go I" is an appropriate phrase to use for those, that up until now have escaped.

 

So I love the positivity expressed by ALLY and others but have a thought for the less fortunate and give them your support.

 

Cheers.

Edited 17 July, 2014 by vrskeith

[XK140]

Another fact worth repeating.

My vRs used 2000- 2500 per litre of oil in its 18k miles with me.Always ran perfectly.

My previous Octy vRS tfsi  had an identical oil thirst in its 35k miles with me.

With both cars I adopted the same policy,zeroed the trip and checked the oil when it read 1000-1200 miles and topped up with half a litre.

The 2.0 tfsi engine was generally considered a good engine and mine,despite the oil use,always ran perfectly.

So is there any reason to believe that,GENERALLY,the 1.4 twincharger is not a good engine?

(Which of course does not absolve Skoda from dealing properly with the few bad examples.)

A lot of modern engines use some oil,especially tubo ones.There appears to be a myth in which the ignorant think that in the old days engines mostly used some oil whereas for the last twenty years or so all modern engines should use no oil whatsoever 

  

[Ootohere]

People old enough remember when Oil changes were at 3,000 miles & 6,000 miles on some cars

& you Serviced a Car before doing long Trips to visit family etc.

 

When i was a Petrol Pump boy, we checked peoples oil for them, and topped up for them.

I am talking last century, but in the last Quarter of it.

 

The Mazda rx8 was the last car known to have engines with failures at the rate of the Early 1.4 TSI Twinchargers 132 - 136 kw.

& yes there are good ones, 

its just Volkswagen, Skoda, Seat & Audi accepting that the failures are known to them, their Design, Manufacturing or Quality Control 

that is the cause of the failures that is required.

 

They can be accepting the financial losses to the Owners of these failures, and job done.

If they are not failing in big numbers, then there is little cost to them, but as it is, the loss is their Reputation & it will cost them.

It is poor in the US now and in Australia, and it is because they did not accept Liability there quickly enough for VWG Failures.

[MartynVRS]

Another fact worth repeating.

My vRs used 2000- 2500 per litre of oil in its 18k miles with me.Always ran perfectly.

My previous Octy vRS tfsi  had an identical oil thirst in its 35k miles with me.

With both cars I adopted the same policy,zeroed the trip and checked the oil when it read 1000-1200 miles and topped up with half a litre.

The 2.0 tfsi engine was generally considered a good engine and mine,despite the oil use,always ran perfectly.

So is there any reason to believe that,GENERALLY,the 1.4 twincharger is not a good engine?

(Which of course does not absolve Skoda from dealing properly with the few bad examples.)

A lot of modern engines use some oil,especially tubo ones.There appears to be a myth in which the ignorant think that in the old days engines mostly used some oil whereas for the last twenty years or so all modern engines should use no oil whatsoever 

 

Couldn't agree more.

Mine oil usage is the same as Dave's. Uses a litre or so every 5k, I do 100 miles a day and every one of them hard. It's driven like a vRS should be and it's been great, now even better with Eibach's and Bilstein's on them.

One factor none of you considered about the oil usage threads is that now my car, and any others who have good ones aren't worth selling. Took into a dealer where I'd seen an Octy vRS for sale and when it came to the truly insulting part-ex price, all the dealer would offer was doom and gloom, it's all over the Internet about these engines, we can't sell them, etc. The way I feel now I'll never sell it and just save up for a separate toy.

[vrskeith]

Please Note!

My Partner's latest CTHE Fabia vRSmk2 is running beautifully. Currently 0.5 litres after 2500 miles since pick up. We are both having much fun in it.

My Octavia vRS TSI mk3 is also performing brilliantly. Currently 1 litre in 9500 @ 1st service.

We are both having much driving fun and enjoyment.

So no complaints here.

Longmay it last.

Edited 17 July, 2014 by vrskeith

[sharkrider]

Couldn't agree more.

Mine oil usage is the same as Dave's. Uses a litre or so every 5k, I do 100 miles a day and every one of them hard. It's driven like a vRS should be and it's been great, now even better with Eibach's and Bilstein's on them.

One factor none of you considered about the oil usage threads is that now my car, and any others who have good ones aren't worth selling. Took into a dealer where I'd seen an Octy vRS for sale and when it came to the truly insulting part-ex price, all the dealer would offer was doom and gloom, it's all over the Internet about these engines, we can't sell them, etc. The way I feel now I'll never sell it and just save up for a separate toy.

indeed. I am fairly sure I will simply keep this car.... bilstiens are on my list.... and polybushing..... there are always things to do to keep it fresh

 

my eunos is my toy driven in the sun only! (and sideways when I can!)

[Ootohere]

It is a shame where someone has had a car using oil and had the Pipe & Valve mod and it may have improved things that 

the car trade & anyone looking oneline might well now are aware of the issues but have to consider where or when they will get the

shifted, and if they lose by having to put it to auction.

But then we must be fair to those that get landed with the Lemons when Dealers or Private buyers take them and the issues are not

resolved.

 

It is not many 1.4 TSI CAVE Oil Users that have been fixed with just the Mod & an ECU Update

Good to hear where there are ones that get the mod and the engine stays fine afterwards.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/267921-time-to-take-mine-in

 

This thread might interest some, 

there is a good idea from it of some of the present and past members experiences back a couple of years.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/228097-problems-or-problem-free

 

Then these needed engines, but there are a good few member that never posted on this thread.

As well as many that joined, asked about the problem got new engines and never returned to the forum.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

[MartynVRS]

It is a shame where someone has had a car using oil and had the Pipe & Valve mod and it may have improved things that 

the car trade & anyone looking oneline might well now are aware of the issues but have to consider where or when they will get the

shifted, and if they lose by having to put it to auction.

But then we must be fair to those that get landed with the Lemons when Dealers or Private buyers take them and the issues are not

resolved.

 

It is not many 1.4 TSI CAVE Oil Users that have been fixed with just the Mod & an ECU Update

Good to hear where there are ones that get the mod and the engine stays fine afterwards.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/267921-time-to-take-mine-in

 

 

The big difference at the time I was only doing 15 miles a day in stop start traffic, averaging 14mph and like every other car I'd owned was topping up to the top marker. I've had the breather pipe done, one boost pipe (because it had a hole), two software updates but always serviced on time or slightly early.

 

At the time I was disillusioned with the car, this place (still am) and thinking logically the car had to go. Arguably it still does given the commute but I'd lose way too much so it stays. I'll run it into the ground if I have to, hence the recent mods with more to come

Now I rarely check the oil and only top it up if it's not in the middle of the two marks.

[MartynVRS]

indeed. I am fairly sure I will simply keep this car.... bilstiens are on my list.... and polybushing..... there are always things to do to keep it fresh

 

my eunos is my toy driven in the sun only! (and sideways when I can!)

RARB reserved, maybe lower mount too. Not sure what else I want to do to it handling wise.

[Ootohere]

Martynvrs,

Its good to know that one that was using as much oil as yours was using can have the issue resolved with the Pipe /valve mod & ECU update & still do lots of miles,

sadly that has been very rare.

Not everyone got the Oil usage to where it was acceptable after running them for longer after the mods being done,

hence so many new engines fitted.

[Sparkly]

RARB reserved, maybe lower mount too. Not sure what else I want to do to it handling wise.

The RARB and lower engine mount are awesome mods, two of the best for bang per buck in my eyes.

Best bit about the lower mount is it got me an extra 3-4mpg on a run on top of the performance benefits

[vxh26]

<snip>

One factor none of you considered about the oil usage threads is that now my car, and any others who have good ones aren't worth selling.

<snip>

Have you considered suing George and his sidekick?

 

I am sure that they would be able to produce data to back up their non-stop attack on the vRS - OR NOT!

[Ally_bassman]

Have you considered suing George and his sidekick?

I am sure that they would be able to produce data to back up their non-stop attack on the vRS - OR NOT!

Easy now. Let's not get personal.

I'm not sure you are in a position to accuse people on non-stop attacks on the VRS.

[Ootohere]

vxh26  ,

lots of Data available. Evidence, figures and much more.

Specialist Motor Engineers Technical reports done where cars were out of the Original Warranty if anyone needs them to take with them

if going for Legal Advice.

 

 & you might find if you care to look that the majority of Owners selling a vRS at around 3 years old have done OK value wise,

getting more than 50 % of what they paid for the car new at the prices we got them or nearly new.

 

Dealers not wanting them is their choice and it is amazing how many had no idea of problems,

after all Skoda, VW, Seat & Audi Salespeople have never heard of any issues.  So they say.

[Jabozuma]

What is wrong with that person vxh26???

[Smudgerii]

Got to admit my cave is a user, but still love the car and will be keeping it for a few years.... But what does frustrate me is the "well it's a performance engine so the stresses make it fragile". Christ, it only redlines before 8k!

My 600cc ninja redlines at 16.5k, never uses a drop of oil and is in no way fragile. There are bikes of 1400cc pushing out 180+ bhp and redlining over 16k without any fear of fragility or high oil use, if they can be manufactured properly then why can't these cars be?

[vrskeith]

Have you considered suing George and his sidekick?

 

I am sure that they would be able to produce data to back up their non-stop attack on the vRS - OR NOT!

Start at VAG / SKODA UK, now that would, I think, be a much better idea. Problem not created by George and Sidekick.

I think that you may have your pants on the wrong way  round .Sidekick has a name, by the way ,as I'm sure you have seen it enough times, when you where  poaching your knowledge on troubled Fabia vRS' and their owners.

[Ootohere]

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/296697-how-harsh-is-the-ride-in-a-fabia-vrs

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/307997-ok-i-have-now-driven-a-fabia-vrs-and-i-likes-it

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/312506-looking-at-buying-a mk-2-vrs

 

Anyone needing vRS advice has vxh26 at the end of a PM to get advice, that is  from his vast experience & in depth knowledge of the cars.

Some good examples here of his extensive understanding of the vehicles from  research obviously in the places were vRS owners gather,

forums and the likes & where they share their knowledge

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/307654-how-easy-isit-to-change-the-oil-filter-on-the-fabia-vrs

[MartynVRS]

All I will say is currently the Fabia II section is a very depressing place to be. Granted there are problems and it's a bit like A&E where there will always be sick people but it does seem relentless. I understand owners want answers (as I did) but it seems every thread is about it, threads get bumped and rebumped so everyone is aware, etc. The whole section is full of it with very little positive discussion.

But it could be Briskoda as a whole is getting me down. Once I tie up some loose ends with a few people here it maybe time for another break.

[Ally_bassman]

We can change, I promise!

[sharkrider]

you should have come to the cumbrian run last weekend for some blasting around and beers! there was no depression there! lol.... even ColinD made it! :P

[Ootohere]

Martyn,

i seem to remember you being one that said use the Search Engine & you got annoyed at new threads about the same old subjects.

So recycling the ones with the Questions already answered seemed sensible.

 

I hope you get the issues resolved with your car and can have fun with it.

Sorry  for Repetition, Hesitation or Deviation.

 

New member do appear and need answers, 

and old ones sometimes forget that they asked before and already had the answers or gave the answers to others.

[MartynVRS]

you should have come to the cumbrian run last weekend for some blasting around and beers! there was no depression there! lol.... even ColinD made it! :p

Can't get weekends off at the moment but I'm not far off making that happen. At least I'm not starting at 4.30am anymore and it's a more reasonable 6am. 

[Jabozuma]

I consider comments about bringing down residuals in mk2 vRS as plainly devoid of any logic, sense and reason.

Look at ANY high dealer price tag luxury car with large engine, after 3 years almost al of them loose more than 50% of the RRP value 

Some people have just no clue whatsoever really... |You buy a new car you shed thousands the moment you leave the dealership, just a fact of life.

Yeti's are bucking the trend as they hold their values incredibly, some other models from other brands do the same. Vast majority of cars loose a min of 30% within first year or two.

Don't want to take a hit? Buy an used car and stop whining!

I personally do not find threads with known faults depressing or anything like that, it's just information and the "depressing" bit is in reader's head I am afraid.

There is plenty of discussions here regarding modification, 0-60 times, track days, photoshoots and all sorts...

[MartynVRS]

Martyn,

i seem to remember you being one that said use the Search Engine & you got annoyed at new threads about the same old subjects.

So recycling the ones with the Questions already answered seemed sensible.

 

 

What I actually said was that they should be one thread, stickied and pinned to the top so it's all in once place and easily searchable. Since there's so many threads now and separate issues perhaps you could create an Issues Log with all issues.all nicely hyperlinked together, perhaps broken up in sections based on what problems they had and marked resolved or in progress.