hey,

Im looking to install OS X Tiger on seperate hard drive for my pc, but don't know if it can be done for AMD based computers. I've seen that quite a lot of you guys are in the computer industry and thought i'd have an ask whilst im here.

cheers if anyone has info,

rich

hey' date='

Im looking to install OS X Tiger on seperate hard drive for my pc, but don't know if it can be done for AMD based computers. I've seen that quite a lot of you guys are in the computer industry and thought i'd have an ask whilst im here.

cheers if anyone has info,

rich[/quote']

Your PC is not a Mac.

Whilst there are Mac emulators which would allow you to run OSX on top of WinXP, there's no real advantage in doing that on a separate disk. AFAIK there is not as yet any way of running OSX native on an i386 compatible machine, although IIRC one is in development by the same people as write the most popular emulator.

although IIRC one is in development by the same people as write the most popular emulator.

Apple are switching to putting Intel processors in their Macs, so a version for x86 shouldn't be too far off.

Although knowing Apple, they'll probably find some way to ensure it will only run on an Intel-Mac, and not an Intel-PC...

Rob.

Your PC is not a Mac.

Whilst there are Mac emulators which would allow you to run OSX on top of WinXP' date=' there's no real advantage in doing that on a separate disk. AFAIK there is not as yet any way of running OSX native on an i386 compatible machine, although IIRC one is in development by the same people as write the most popular emulator.[/quote']

Oh yes there is

Here is OSX running on an AMD64 laptop:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25843

But I wouldnt bother yet unless you are technically very competent - you're just likely to come unstuck.

but most importantly:

http://osx86project.org/

Although knowing Apple' date=' they'll probably find some way to ensure it will only run on an Intel-Mac, and not an Intel-PC...

Rob.[/quote']

Its called the TPM, or Trusted Platform Module.

http://www.silicon-trust.com/trends/comp_tpm.asp

But this has been circumvented with the osx86 project ;_

Unfortunately Apples latest developers build of osx intel has changed a few things in this area, making the TPM bypass fail

ps, i use real macs

Just to clear things up.

Yes you can boot a leaked copy of x86 OS X 10.4 on a PC. You need SSE2 to make anything work, basically a PIII or later, and SSE3 for iTunes and Rosetta to work. If you have a recent (Athlon XP, Sempron, 64, Opteron) AMD machine, you'll be fine.

No you cannot dual-boot. The dodgy copy of OS X that is flying about is a disk image. This means you need to overwrite an entire harddrive with this file (eg using a Linux boot CD). Writing the image to a partition is known not to work.

Installing OS X on your PC is an interesting thing to do for an hour or two on a rainy day if you don't have a 'real mac'. Its fun to use, but don't expect everything to work perfectly and be usable. There are limited drivers available for a start.

Well I would love to have a real PowerMac / Powerbook, but looking at the prices and second hand prices, its way way out of my budget for uni. I've hardly used mac's before, but at uni I will need to use it for my digital media arts course, therefore I want to get a copy of OS X running so I can familiarise with it quicker, rather than getting stuck trying to open programs.

If you have a recent (Athlon XP, Sempron, 64, Opteron) AMD machine, you'll be fine.

AMD Athlon XP 2400+ ? Will that be fine?

No you cannot dual-boot. The dodgy copy of OS X that is flying about is a disk image. This means you need to overwrite an entire harddrive with this file (eg using a Linux boot CD). Writing the image to a partition is known not to work.

This is fine, I have extra spaces for a new hard drive.

Lastly, what is SSE2. Do you know any guides on how to install it?

Thanks for everyones posts,

rich

Lastly, what is SSE2. Do you know any guides on how to install it?

It's an instruction set - will be on the Athlon XP...

Rob.

Forget it.

Really. The copy that is working on PC isn't fully functional, there are scarcely any drivers and Apple will 'fix' the new version not to work. Simply because they have built the entire Apple name on full hardware control.

If you're doing a graphics course you'll want Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Flash etc. working perfectly. This wont happen now, and if it ever does on a PC it will be a long time coming.

Find yourself a reconditioned or 2nd Hand Mac. My old Dual 500Mhz G4 runs Adobe Creative Suite fine. (not as nice as the Dual 2.5Ghz G5 though).

Plus, depending on the Uni your going to you may well have OS9 running. So using OSX wont help.

If you want to risk it, sell the PC. Go 100% Mac. If it's for your course it'll be worth it. I've been using Macs since I was 3 and 5 months ago was the first time I've owned a PC.

Exactly Mort

Yeah i've been lookign around for reconditioned and 2nd hand G4's but they all go over

mac mini brand new is only 359....

I did it, and got rid of it.

As above, its a waste of time. You can't do anything on it, and half the hardware isn't supported. Hell, even Safari isn't stable so you can't use the net in any decent fashion.

iTunes, DVD's, Photoshop... they're all out the non-usable without SSE3 anyway (unless you start emulating it on SSE2, but I won't get into that)

Exactly people, its not useful, its only to satisfy curiosity.

Richie, I'd totally recommend sticking with your PC for now when you're on a tight budget. The Adobe suite will work perfectly fine on PC, and I think it will be miles better than running on a budget Mac. I'm running last years 12" Powerbook, and my sister has the latest 12" iBook, both of us have 1.33GHz G4's. Even when I've got 768MB ram, my desktop machine (Athlon XP 2800+ OC'd to 3200+ and a gig of ram, WinXP) completely blows it away. It feels twice as fast. There is a huge difference, and you can build/upgrade a PC with a spec close to that with very little money these days.

My dad has a Mac mini (256MB RAM, its only for internet banking + email), and I don't want to think about how frustrating that would be with Photoshop. Don't do it.

My dad has a Mac mini (256MB RAM, its only for internet banking + email), and I don't want to think about how frustrating that would be with Photoshop. Don't do it.

The bottom end Mac mini is faster than my Dual 500Mhz G4 I have at home. It'll run CS no problem. The slowest point in the Mini setup is the HD which does slow it down a lot. (get a 7500rpm drive and drop it in - can almost double the percieved speed with read/write heavy uses)

If you want to go Apple, it's a reasonable starting point - as you can keep the PC and use the peripherals with the Mac. You'll soon find you need more Disk Space though.

But as said, CS is happy on a PC. My AMD runs it nicely (not as nice as the Mac :P ) and if you're not really ready to take the plunge into Apple it will be fine transferring stuff from Mac/PC all the adobe products are cross platform files, so remember to format any disks/flash as a PC volume when you're at Uni and it'll be no problem at all.