What the likes of Tesco do is turn up at Planning Committee and present their application. They say we'll create x no of construction jobs, x no of store staff and the local economy will benefit by x amount of £. Committee members usually say yes despite what I or my colleagues might be recommending they do.

 

Backfired on them in a few places in Wales!! 

Several shops have NOT been built.

Live on Anglesey so it's a given we need the car ! South Wales generally take most of the finances, so hardly nothing left for the gogs

Live on Anglesey so it's a given we need the car ! South Wales generally take most of the finances, so hardly nothing left for the gogs

 

Yawn!

And you get more than we do in Mid Wales, but I seldom here people around here bleating about it!

Using the train to get from rochdale to manchester is much easier then driving to manchester. And cheaper. 15minute walk from my house to the local train station

Yawn!

And you get more than we do in Mid Wales, but I seldom here people around here bleating about it!

That probably has a lot to do with there being a LOT more people down south. As you say, no point moaning about it.

Yawn!

And you get more than we do in Mid Wales, but I seldom here people around here bleating about it!

Lol trust graham !

What the likes of Tesco do is turn up at Planning Committee and present their application. They say we'll create x no of construction jobs, x no of store staff and the local economy will benefit by x amount of £. Committee members usually say yes despite what I or my colleagues might be recommending they do.

As I said they are good at getting planning applications through - is they know what to say...

As I said they are good at getting planning applications through - is they know what to say...

 

 A local store to me wanted to expand and put a petrol station on the side which would mean junction development so they applied for planning it got rejected by all the locals and the council they re submitted to revamp half of Allerton road and they snapped up the opportunity ..... money paints a brilliant picture.

 A local store to me wanted to expand and put a petrol station on the side which would mean junction development so they applied for planning it got rejected by all the locals and the council they re submitted to revamp half of Allerton road and they snapped up the opportunity ..... money paints a brilliant picture.

 

But that is exactly how the planning process works - the developer pays for the mitigation required as a result of thier development so there is no cost to the Council.  In this case they probably knew mitigation woudl be needed due to the attraction of traffic but decided to try thier hand and see if they coudl get away without the additional cost of the highway improvements.  The council rejected this as they should.  They then reapplied with the junction improvements included so the council had no grounds for rejection as the developer was paying for the mitigation required as a result of the development.

 

That IS the planning process in this country and is why the planning approval was granted - as oppose to the council 'snapping up the opportunity' to get the road improved for free.

 

It is what I deal with every day of my working life (albeit not for the likes of Tescos).

Paths? Paths?!!!

Exactly! Many of the paths around here are barely wide enough for a push chair...If there is a path.

We did choose to live here but talk about lack of encouragement to use an alternative means of transport.

MK with its ribbons of redway cycle paths covering the whole town, segregated from the dangers of traffic.

Sheffield has always had great public transport. When I was a kid in the 70s and 80s you could buy a day ticket for the bendy buses and travel anywhere in Sheffield for about 10p

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errr - only if you happen to live in a 'favoured' area (read labour).  The tram when installed simply replicated the routes that were already well covcered by buses and already had a high proportion of Public Transport trips.  If they were really serious about getting people off cars it would have a completely differenmt network.

 

I live on the outskirts and, whilst there is a bus that goes past my house it is neither use nor ornament as it simply runs round the residential areas in the immediate vicinity - it doesn;t go into town or to places like the local supermarkets.  It's empty 99% of the time it passes but is heavily subsidised so runs.

 

Unfortunately those in charge of the systems and at the passenger transport executive don't seem to understand things like this.

I live in Sheffield. They spent years putting trams in. Countless hours and trade lost. But now it's fantastic.

10mins walk to access a greatvsystem.

Bit it's still car centric.

£4 for a day tram ticket.

Central parking from £2.50

Most streets around park and ride open and free, p&r isn't free to park so 90% empty daily and local streets are IMHO dangerously parked/congested. Imagine a very steep hill, wide road, opposite a tram stop... By 7am it's down to single lane for hundred plus yards. Stupid!

45 mins from my doorstep medowhell, 20 in the car. Instill go on the tram this time of year though.

Cars and city's will take decades to undo what is done.

It's also 3.6miles to my office, so some days i just walk, more recently. Takes longer but less lurgy.

 

As above - the trams are only good if you jhappen to live nearby - the majority of Sheffield residents don't because the routes for the tramway were chosen commercially on the basis of attracting revenue from those that woudl use it, rather than on the basis of removing congestion and cars.  As a result it largely followed routes that already had good PT provision rather than providing a realistic and high quality alternative to the car for those areas that were mostly car dependant through lack of PT provision.  Hence, when it was first installed it had very low usage as it was more expensive than the established bus routes so people continued to use the bus until they forced the removal of the buse services to force people onto the tram and make it economically viable.

 

It's now at the stage where the trams are mostly beyond thier useful life and the tracks need replacing - leading to massive costs and disruption again!

 

As for parking - Sheffield Council's response over the past few years has been to impose one way systems to keep cars out and to impose residents parking permit schemes, much to the annoyance of residents, which has siumply moved the parking somewhere else.  They then extended the residents parking permit system to cover the new areas affected and the cycle started all over again.  They then kept extending it until it became pretty much impossible to park in or near town - killing the city centre and driving shoppers to Meadowhall and Crystal Peaks or further afield.  So they have now had to build city centre multi-storey car parks...   go figure!

 

Sorry but the Council has been largely anti-car and badly managed for as long as I can remember and I've lived here all my life!  THings did change a bit for a couple of years when a different colour administration got in but it's back to its old self now.  If I didn't love the city, it's location and the people here I'd have left long ago!

^ but do you need a car borne consumer to make the city work ?

^ but do you need a car borne consumer to make the city work ?

 

Evidently yes - as when there was no city centre parking and the city centre was surrounded by residents parking areas the it took a dive and many shops and businesses closed...   part of that may be because of the out of town developments that are available to us but that isn't going to change - they are here to stay so it has to be taken into consideration in the whole scheme of things.

 

It shouldn't be that way  - we should be able to survive without personal mobility - but it is - people don't generally want to battle with shopping bags on public transport and the timescales involved in public tramsport use.  In London it works because there IS a good Public Transport system but elsewhere less so.

 

Public Transport is great for the daily commute if it operates in a timely manner and reliably and stacks up well cost-wise.  Too often at othert times it unfortunately doesn't.

On the subject of trains....

 

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/12/16/customer-complaint-letter-of-the-day/