KESSY on the Fabia Mk3 SEL .. Secure or security risk? Would you have it or would you want it taking off?  I'm a bit paranoid about it at the moment.. and considering downspeccing to an SE model without it.  Apparantly they won't build a Fabia SEL without KESSY, so there's not much option.. the Polo SEL it's optional.. why the hell do the enforce it on the Fabia then?

 

KESSY/GO is a real security issue.. but KESSY on its own?  Any better or shouldn't be trusted either.. thoughts would be welcome..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have personally discounted the SE L purely due to KESSY,

 

as I said on another thread, less secure in my mind

 

without you need keyfob to enter car, then physical key in lock and immobiliser chip in key to start car

 

with kessy, keyfob to enter car and keyfob to start car

 

not as many security factors to me, so less secure unless I am missing something

 

and what about steering wheel lock?

So if you get a Insurance Quote on a Polo with & a Polo without, does it cost more with KESSY because the Underwriters 

say they are less Secure?

So if you get a Insurance Quote on a Polo with & a Polo without, does it cost more with KESSY because the Underwriters 

say they are less Secure?

I very much doubt it, look how many manufacturers offer keyless entry, Renault have been doing it for years without any security issues.

the insuarance group on the Mk3 SE L is slightly higher than the SE, but was wondering if that was due to the 105PS engine over the 90PS engine.. not much in it really there.. so it could be down to KESSY as well..

the insuarance group on the Mk3 SE L is slightly higher than the SE, but was wondering if that was due to the 105PS engine over the 90PS engine.. not much in it really there.. so it could be down to KESSY as well..

It'll be due to the higher engine output and the increased specification rather than KESSY, keyless entry isn't a security risk, if it was then the insurance companies wouldn't be happy insuring a car with it.

It'll be due to the higher engine output and the increased specification rather than KESSY, keyless entry isn't a security risk, if it was then the insurance companies wouldn't be happy insuring a car with it.

so this is why insurers are specifying additional security precautions and increasing premiums on certain luxury cars with keyless entry due to the increase in theft of them without keys

 

it also noted some audi's etc were now being taken, so VAG security has the same issues

 

so as keyless entry becomes more common it is inevitable more mainstream cars will be targeted as it will be easier than break-in / theft to get the keys at which point premiums will start to rise

 

these are my own personal thoughts and why I will not have a car with keyless entry

 

everyone can have their own opinion and that is mine

I work in insurance and can only go off our underwriting criteria, I agree that premiums may have gone up for certain luxury cars but all insurance risk is based on historical data for each model, I doubt many Polos have been stolen with keyless entry so the new Fabia won't be affected yet. If it was found that cars with KESSY were getting stolen more frequently then premiums would rise.

I agree with you about not having a car with keyless entry, I'd much rather have a traditional transponder type key. Aggravated vehicle taking is on the rise now as most cars will only start with the key so thieves try to break into houses to get the keys, gone are the days of popping windows and hot wiring or pulling the ignition barrel.

Keyless entry and start don't need a key, just a relatively inexpensive scanner in most cases therefore may be an easier target.

The All New Fabia might be getting to be the same price as the cheapest Audi, 

but as to desirability for theft, it will come very low as a Premium car worth the stealing. 

 

Luxury cars they are not, and maybe the Estate would be good for carrying stolen goods, 

but not much cope as a Ram Raid vehicle, or even for pulling the Skin off a Rice Pudding.

Even Fiestas have been targeted..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29786320

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/332446-keyless-entry-cars-targeted-by-thieves/

I've got KESSY on the octy and I don't see why people are worrying about it I've got to have the key on me for it to work if I leave the key in the car the doors do not lock the system work very well I'm more then happy to own a car with it

I've got KESSY on the octy and I don't see why people are worrying about it I've got to have the key on me for it to work if I leave the key in the car the doors do not lock the system work very well I'm more then happy to own a car with it

I think it's the fact that a cheap gizmo inserted into the ODB and the crims are off even without your key.. 

 

instead password protecting the ODB and the engine via the MDI would be a welcome step to thwarting people.  I even like another poster who suggested placing a fake ODB port which is just a high voltage inverter to fry the scumbags equipment.. I like that a lot!

 

I've always used a high vis yellow steering lock on my Fabia since I got it and wouldn't have a car without one.. again the harder you make it for theives the better.. I'm glad you've had no sleepless nights with the KESSY, but I'm a bit restless about it quite frankly..

Could you simply not relocate the ODB port to somewhere else, given the thief will be in a rush and keen to speed things up when he is presented with the port not being where he knows it should be then i would guess panic would ensue and he will be on his toes.

I want to see the new Fabia yesterday and the dealer had a fàbia SEL in the showroom you only get KESSY GO as standard with is the push button start/ stop and the key to open/ lock the car is it's not the full KESSY system which is good if you not a fan of KESSY you get the good part with push buttonhole start and stop and the key to do the doors so it's not all bad for the people how do not like KESSY

and BMW did not even think to use basic encryption on a remote access service to their cars      

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31093065

 

 

BMW has patched a security flaw that left 2.2 million cars, including Rolls Royce and Mini models, open to hackers.

The flaw affected models fitted with BMW's ConnectedDrive software, which uses an on-board Sim card.

The software operated door locks, air conditioning and traffic updates but no driving firmware such as brakes or steering, BMW said.

so how secure is skoda keesy? when the likes ok BMW with all the brilliant engineers make that sort of security 101 error?

and BMW did not even think to use basic encryption on a remote access service to their cars

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31093065

so how secure is skoda keesy? when the likes ok BMW with all the brilliant engineers make that sort of security 101 error?

yOu seem to imply that as its skoda that it would be inferior to bmw, dont forget its not skoda, but the whole vw group, which is going to be on an equal or better than bmw, given the aformentioned engineering error

not implying that at all, just a manufacturer like BMW overlook basic security so anyone could

 

at the end of the day security costs development time and money

 

it is all about perceived risk and awareness of risks

 

to me the risk of keesy is to great at the moment

 

very similar to chip and pin on your bank card, initially the data transfer from the chip to the pin pad was not encrypted, after some crafty work by some to intercept that and send it via Bluetooth it is now

 

we will see a gradual evolution in technologies like keesy

 

like your wireless network, when they first appeared the default was open with no encryption, then WEP was introduced until it was found easy to break now we have WPA2

 

I work in I.T. and security so see these sort of things on a daily basis and wary of them until I know more

to me the risk of keesy is to great at the moment

 

like your wireless network, when they first appeared the default was open with no encryption, then WEP was introduced until it was found easy to break now we have WPA2

 

and WPA2 was cracked ages ago.. password protecting the car through the MDI as you press the start button would be a good idea before the car actually starts..

yep, wpa2 has been cracked but it takes more time than wep

 

all security can be cracked if you get enough data have enough time and computer power

 

Keesy will probably only transfer small packets so gathering the required amount of data depends the level of security in the data transfer or whether it can be used for a replay attack