Can anyone tell me what oil and how much of it my 6 speed DSG box takes and where the gearbox filter is located?

 

I would like to do it myself but today have found out that the oil (whichever grade) is expensive so, whilst I'd still like to do it myself, anyone with recommendations as to prices and places to get it done appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBYQnjur_wg

You can still save a load of money doing it yourself. It's easy!

 

If you do the drain - measure - refill method then you need 5x 1 litre bottles.

 

Drain the oil out (with it hot) and if you get 4.5 litres out then refill with 4.5 litres plus 0.10 litres (to account for the filter).

 

This was my refill method:

 

 

I have more of that pipe if you want a length as it was a perfect (but tight) fit over the hole. If you don't force it into this hole and just pour into the housing it will take forever!

 

You need to remove the air intake, battery and battery box to access the filter.

 

This was this cars first DSG oil change. Old oil:

 

 

New oil:

 

 

 

Phil

Edited 23 January, 201511 yr by Phil-E

I did a full oil and filter change on my 2.0 tdi with dsg and to be honest the most difficult part was removing the air box and the battrery tray to get at the auto box filter and that isn't that hard so I would say have a go your self.i did it the way that phil has already told you and it worked well atb kev.

I did a full oil and filter change on my 2.0 tdi with dsg and to be honest the most difficult part was removing the air box and the battrery tray to get at the auto box filter and that isn't that hard so I would say have a go your self.i did it the way that phil has already told you and it worked well atb kev.

 

Agreed! If it wasn't for having to remove the undertray and the battery etc it would have only taken about 40 mins I reckon.

 

It's no more difficult than doing a normal engine oil change so if you're able to manage then that go for it!

 

You can buy the oil, filter and drain plug washer kit off ebay for a good price (cheaper than the dealer!).

 

Phil

Phil-E, I have got your bit of pipe and all the stuff. I am just waiting for it to warm up a little before I do mine.

Phil-E, I have got your bit of pipe and all the stuff. I am just waiting for it to warm up a little before I do mine.

 

Cool. Warm that bit of pipe up a little as it is a tight fit and I couldn't get it on when it was cold straight out the shed.

 

If you have VCDS or know someone nearby that does I would also recommend doing the basic settings on the gearbox too:

 

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/6-Speed_Direct_Shift_Gearbox_(DSG/02E)

 

Either it was a placebo or it did actually make the gearbox buttery smooth afterwards.

 

It makes the box relearn all the clutch pressures, bite points etc. Makes some clunky noises while doing it but that's normal.

 

Phil

 

You can buy the oil, filter and drain plug washer kit off ebay for a good price (cheaper than the dealer!).

 

    use OEM filters ONLY! Saving a couple of € will turn into a huge disaster on the end! 

I bought OEM filters and oil. I didn't want to take any chances knowing how expensive a repair can be.

I bought OEM filters and oil. I didn't want to take any chances knowing how expensive a repair can be.

OEM oils are not always the best way to go. On the market you can find much better and not so expansive brands.

Sample what I would recommend: https://www.motor-oel-guenstig.de/Getriebeoel/Automatikgetriebe/fuer-Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/ROWE-HIGHTEC-ATF-DCG-Getriebeoel-fuer-DSG-Getriebe::592.html

    use OEM filters ONLY! Saving a couple of € will turn into a huge disaster on the end! 

 

It was an OEM filter... just not bought through the dealer. The oil was the proper VAG stuff too.

 

I wouldn't dream of using non-OEM stuff on the gearbox! :no:

 

Not worth the extra few ££s saved!

 

Phil

It was an OEM filter... just not bought through the dealer. 

That is what surprise me! 

Factories like BOSCH, MANN etc. produces OEM stuff for many companies and packing also is OEM with Company logos on it etc... you know what I mean?! 

So,question is; How eBay sellers can get these Original parts in 'original' packing? Producers supplies ONLY main dealers with OEM packing.  You can't buy MANN filter in VW OEM pack by your local part store! In same time that filter meet OEM standards and can be used like OEM. 

So,resume! OEM packed parts online are 90% fake... sad but true

OEM oils are not always the best way to go. On the market you can find much better and not so expansive brands.

Sample what I would recommend: https://www.motor-oel-guenstig.de/Getriebeoel/Automatikgetriebe/fuer-Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/ROWE-HIGHTEC-ATF-DCG-Getriebeoel-fuer-DSG-Getriebe::592.html

On other forums questions have been raised about other DSG oils. My personal stance on the matter is I am not prepared to take the risk.  OEM all the way for me on this one.

On other forums questions have been raised about other DSG oils. My personal stance on the matter is I am not prepared to take the risk.  OEM all the way for me on this one.

I'm not saying that OEM is not good, just wanted to say VAG not produce oil's. And some of oil producers (sometimes more than one) delivers to factory and/or dealers garage. In DSG case in Germany that is 'Mobil' which in opinion is not the best in 'Price-Performance' same spec oil I buying for ~40% cheaper, from company with not so big name. 

But if you are happy and money is not a problem for you   

With oil the same specification does not mean the same quality. There have been anecdotal instances where non OEM same spec oils have been used in the DSG gearbox and the owners have had problem quite soon after. With the price difference being quite close I would not take a chance on anything else except OEM parts, nor would I advise anyone else to do so.

 I would not take a chance on anything else except OEM parts, nor would I advise anyone else to do so.

100% agree about Parts, but oils are different story! For example; BMW Replace Castrol with Shell as OEM product. 

As it was shown in so many independent tests, Shell is under every expectations.

So I prefer not to use  OEM oils.

Good for us in Germany, we have TÜV (certification and quality organization) and some producers make tests there to show to customer that product meets all ISO and EU standards and can be cold as OEM spec product. For instance upgrade parts on car must be with TÜV certificate otherwise you can forget about 'MOT' called in UK  

That means all spare parts with TÜV certificate can be fitted on car with "no worries man-good as OEMs" 

I am well aware of TUV testing as I lived in germany for quite a while. :clap: Generally for replacement parts the TUV mark indicates its of the same if not higher quality than the original part, therefore I agree in principle.

 

My problem is not with the oil specification or how it performs in a laboratory test. The issue I take with using a different brand / specification / formulation which anything apart from the OEM could be is that you cannot be 100% sure about the interaction of the oil already in the gearbox and the oil you are putting in and the components within the gearbox. How will they all react, you just don't know. The oil formulation could deteriorate seals or electrical connections. It could heat up slower or faster it could be thicker or thinner (viscosity), it could have different grades of lubricity meaning clutches could be sharper or slip more.

 

 If this were a fully mechanical gearbox we would not be having this conversation.  There have been a few instances where people with the 6 speed DSG G/Box (across the whole VAG brand) that have not used OEM oil and have said they have suffered negative effects from jerky gear changes to failed mechatronics units (this is the anecdotal evidence I mentioned). For the few pounds difference why would you take the chance ?

It was just my opinion about OEM oils with some arguments... not always 'correct one' is the 'right one' 

Anyways your choice is 

How many people, so many opinions. 

I respect your opinion and I hope I did not offend.  I was trying to explain the choice I have made in an informative manner so that other could read and decide for themselves.

Interesting reading, would any of you have the part numbers for the dsg sump plug seal

Okay folks I caffled out of doing it myself but part of the reason is that I haven't been well, anyway yesterday I rang RRG Skoda service centre at Bolton and spoke to Richard who gave me the price of £170 all in so today in the car went.  Richard was superb he spoke to me like a human being (are you listening Simpsons), I also asked if, when the undertray was off, the technician could possibly reach up and push the front offside parking sensor back flush with the bumper after I'd knocked it in about 4mm after thumping it to try and dislodge built up water in the hope that this would stop it malfunctioning (didn't work) (again, are you listening Simpsons, the malfunctioning issue had been in to you a number of times whilst the car was under warranty and you did nothing).  2.5 hours later Richard came through to the Toyota showroom where I was enjoying my 3rd coffee and told me my car was ready.  Yes, it took a bit longer than I was expecting but I'd rather wait a bit longer than have the job rushed and I am sure the job was done well plus, when I got back in my car everything was as I'd left it and it was reading in miles not km (Simpsons, why would someone in England who brought their car in reading in miles want it returned to them reading in km).

 

Total cost £170 as promised although I would have happily paid a bit extra for the parking sensor re-alignment but none of it (Oi, Simpsons, you could learn a lot), the technician had made a reference in the service book (I'd had the oil and filter done at a trusted mechanics) on the 4th service page to a later page where he'd written DSG fluid and filter done 30/01/2015 signed it and stamped it with the RRG stamp (Simpsons ..... oh never mind).

 

I told Richard that he and the technician had reignited my trust in Skoda and asked if there was anyone that I could send a complimentary letter to, it only turned out that the chap sat at the side of him was from SUK ............. My experiences with and thoughts on Simpsons were made clear as was the fact that imo there is too much focus made on the flashy glass and steel showrooms with pristine white tiled floors and not enough on good customer service.

 

RRG Skoda service centre Bolton we need more of you.

Edited 30 January, 201511 yr by alkip

Fair enough. Sometimes as much as you'd like to do things yourself to save some cash it just can't be done.

 

Good that you had a positive experience too.

 

I must be honest that's one thing that was putting me off taking my car to a garage for a service and DSG oil change... I just don't trust them!

 

Phil

On 24/01/2015 at 05:25, Phil-E said:

You can still save a load of money doing it yourself. It's easy!

 

If you do the drain - measure - refill method then you need 5x 1 litre bottles.

 

Drain the oil out (with it hot) and if you get 4.5 litres out then refill with 4.5 litres plus 0.10 litres (to account for the filter).

 

This was my refill method:

 

 

I have more of that pipe if you want a length as it was a perfect (but tight) fit over the hole. If you don't force it into this hole and just pour into the housing it will take forever!

 

You need to remove the air intake, battery and battery box to access the filter.

 

This was this cars first DSG oil change. Old oil:

 

 

New oil:

 

 

 

Phil

Phil, Is it a silly approach to fill the gearbox under a bit of pressure from the bottom plug? Regards, Kevin

1 minute ago, KevinGill said:

Phil, Is it a silly approach to fill the gearbox under a bit of pressure from the bottom plug? Regards, Kevin

Not at all! The official fill method is doing exactly that. The only thing is you need a special tool (a pipe with the correct fitting on the end etc that goes on a bottle etc).