RNS 510 (1T0 035 680 P) with MDI connected

 

So, having done the maps, my attention is back to firmware, specifically 5274. It gets to "Radio - updating 100%" and that's it. Eventually it bails out, but this leaves me with an unusable unit, unless I return to 5269.

 

I have burnt at the lowest speed I have (4x)

Four different meda, all different manufacturers, 2 have been CDR, 1 DVD, and 1 CDR Lightscribe.

The file has been downloaded from 2 different locations via MY-GTI

 

5269 breezes back on with no issues. Fresh copy burned and worked 1st time!

 

Have created a small pile of coffee mats, which am less than impressed with really :( :(

 

Any ideas? Am thinking of just leaving it on 5269 as can't actually see anything that's been updated really, and have decided to try something different to the RNS510 next, so it'll be going soon.

Hi mate

 

The minimal extra for updating from 5269 is not worth bricking the unit.  Leave it where it is, especially if you are on v12 maps...

 

Adam

Cool. I'll do that then. Seems there's little *real* information on the updates anyway......all of them have *NEW* faster response for example.

 

Thanks mate

To save any similar hassles, I purchased an update from eBay and had no issues. 

 

Maybe thats the way forward?

To be fair, the maps was an easier operation than the firmware.....I only had to use 1 DVD for that, it worked first time, and that was a 5.5GB update.

 

The way forward should be for the firmware to be updated as part of a dealer service or for the dealer to sell official firmware update CDs. 99/100 times firmware fixes problems (or creates new ones) or updates a feature (reading larger SDCards for example), rarely does it include a whole new feature.

......or for the update to be capable of being run from the SDCard

 

MDI updates through it's USB interface.

I had similar problems with the first 5274 I tried but recently had success with one modified by the famous Josi.

Mount the ISO file you have and look at the VERSION.TXT file, bad ones have a CRC16 of 'af2a' at the end whereas Josi's good one has a CRC16 of '6dbc'.

5274 is supposed to fix a minor bug with the TMC display being blank whilst being routed by the Columbus, it works OK when not being routed. I only upgraded a week or so ago and haven't confirmed it yet. I believe the bug was introduced in 5270 so 5269 should be OK anyway.

Have you got a link to the 6dbc one please?

Have you got a link to the 6dbc one please?

http://www.my-gti.com/3868/volkswagen-rns-510-firmware-download-repository

Downloaded

Cheers mate.

Can confirm that RNS_510_FW_5274_update_modified.iso with the CRC16 of '6dbc' works fine just upgraded my firmware using it. Now for the maps :0)

Thanks for the info and the links Chris.

Done. Sorted. Updated. My OCD sense has stopped tingling now :)

 

Thank you everyone,

Done. Sorted. Updated. My OCD sense has stopped tingling now :)

 

Thank you everyone,

 

What exactly does 5274 give extra over 4120?

 

I ask because in many circles there seems to be little benefit going beyond 4120 unless using DAB (unless I've missed something).

That's about it really. A bit of willy waving, but nothing much else other than possibly bricking the unit loading on a butchered firmware. Pretty much all the factory firmwares work, it's only the firmwares which have been "customised" which cause issues and need bug fixing.

 

I've had pretty much all the firmwares on my test unit over the years, and I'm having the devils own job to see any difference after 41** really.

Checkout... http://www.my-gti.com/3868/volkswagen-rns-510-firmware-download-repository

...and click on the word 'Details' against the firmware version you are interested in.

Information is available for 5269 but not 5274. Other than DABS and the usual "Faster Navigation" I don't see much difference between 5269 and 4120.

Information is available for 5269 but not 5274. Other than DABS and the usual "Faster Navigation" I don't see much difference between 5269 and 4120.

Yep, that's about it. A bit faster here and there, but nowt that I can see in any great measure.

Yeah, tnx guys, I'd come to that same conclusion. I did notice a 6xxx available too but "if it ain't broke don't fix it" seems to be the order of the day.

 

I reckon v.13 maps will be my next u/d as v.12 isn't likely to add much over v.11 presently installed. It can get silly chasing the "latest" version every time...

Don't be tempted to try installing any 6*** firmwares. That's specifically for the new hardware units with a different GPS processor and will kill your unit.

Firmware upgrades are required in just about everything from mobiles to cameras. They remove bugs in previous releases and enhance the operation of your kit. Better not go for the latest but the last good stable version unless you are having problems identified in a firmware release. Your Skoda dealership should know about which firmware is most suited for the unit you have but will almost certainly not have the faintest idea what you are talking about. I went from 2844 via 4210 to 5274 because I could. Skoda just stuck V10 maps on which behaved a little oddly under 2844.

Firmware upgrades are not required, even though they're available. They're available for newer versions of hardware etc. which differs slightly form what you might have. Installing the latest firmware on an old unit could mean it doesn't work properly, hence the customised firmwares flying about on the net by people who modify them to work on the older units. Essentially, it's like trying to make Windows 8 work on a machine designed when XP was available. So yes, you can get things to work by swapping files from older firmwares to the newer ones, but what do you gain? Unstable firmwares which require bug fixes, bricked units, and people asking for assistance because their unit is no longer working as it should.

Not disputing what you say but don't some of the older Columbus units HDDs only have two partitions? Don't you have to change this to enable you to load the latest maps? Correct me if I am wrong please.

Whoever makes the Columbus units should have a matrix cross referencing your unit with suitable firmware and map releases instead of leaving it to various forums and blogs. Firmware upgrades I carry out to motherboards, Canon cameras et al are to enhance the existing hardware or fix bugs and the manufacturers in all cases tell you exactly what the upgrade is for.

Don't be tempted to try installing any 6*** firmwares. That's specifically for the new hardware units with a different GPS processor and will kill your unit.

 

It never entered my head, like I said "..ain't broke.." 

Not disputing what you say but don't some of the older Columbus units HDDs only have two partitions? Don't you have to change this to enable you to load the latest maps? Correct me if I am wrong please.

Whoever makes the Columbus units should have a matrix cross referencing your unit with suitable firmware and map releases instead of leaving it to various forums and blogs. Firmware upgrades I carry out to motherboards, Canon cameras et al are to enhance the existing hardware or fix bugs and the manufacturers in all cases tell you exactly what the upgrade is for.

If you went into Skoda and asked for (let's pick an example) a Columbus 1Z0 035 680 to have the firmware updated, their system would tell you exactly what firmware was suitable and how far it would be possible to take it. That's what their system is for. They'd be able to upgrade it as far as the unit manufacturers (Siemens or Continental) would recommend, which would give you a safe upgrade. If it's not possible (or recommended) to go any further then they'd tell you.

But quite simply, people on the internet  think that more is better and expect (or in some cases demand) that they have the latest firmware or maps, and won't stop asking until someone tells them what they want to hear, and then away they go updating their unit with some files they downloaded off some website somewhere which have been modified by some unknown guy in Lithuania. If you're happy taking those sort of chances then bash on, but personally I prefer to tell people what's suitable rather than what might be possible. I've never had a bricked unit yet through either doing them myself or pointing people in the right direction. But there are many people out there with non functional units which have been damaged by various means. I have 4 here in the workshop as it happens, all expensive paperweights.

Oh, and the latest maps will load quite happily onto any firmware unit as long as it's not been modified by some clever person. The partitions are split into three for POI on the later versions of maps, but the navigation side will run easily on an early 2 partition hard drive system. albeit without having the POI selection available. But as I said, sometimes that's not enough for Joe Public who demands to be able to have everything on his incompatible unit, and rather than buying one which will work with the latest firmware and mapping systems, a solution is offered by helpful internets which isn't recommended by the manufacturers.

Oh, and the latest maps will load quite happily onto any firmware unit as long as it's not been modified by some clever person. The partitions are split into three for POI on the later versions of maps, but the navigation side will run easily on an early 2 partition hard drive system. albeit without having the POI selection available. But as I said, sometimes that's not enough for Joe Public who demands to be able to have everything on his incompatible unit, and rather than buying one which will work with the latest firmware and mapping systems, a solution is offered by helpful internets which isn't recommended by the manufacturers.

Thanks for that all is now clear! I did have an upgrade to V10 carried out by the dealer, their latest maps I was told, this was very slow running under 2844 and sometimes behaved oddly. The previous version of maps was totally useless so an upgrade was needed. I did ask the question on this forum with no response so I did my own research, certainly not interested in all the bells and whistles just a reliable sound system and an up to date sat nav. Not going to spend big money on another Columbus unit if it is going to be obsolete in a few years.