Hi I had the engine oil drained yesterday and I replaced the oil filter. Engine oil was warm when it was drained. I let it drain for a good 10 minutes till I can just see long interval drops then I put this oil in:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shell-5W-30-Helix-Ultra-ECT/dp/B00I97B6AY

 

It says in manual put in 3.2 litres, well I try to put in 3.2 litres but I think I accidently overfilled by 200ml. I checked the dipstick and its at the right of the top of the orange tear shape plastic part.

 

Should I worry that the excess could cause some damage or will the excess burn off over time?

 

 

Overfilling with oil can cause all sorts of problems, e.g.

http://www.youngsgarage.uk.com/Oil%20and%20Engines%204.htm

If it were my car, I'd be looking at getting the excess out asap.

What manual were you looking at cos the only thing I can see in mine is this...

 

 

Also, you'll never manage to get all the oil out via the sump plug so it's better to presume you've still got at least 200ml sitting around the engine.

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by blackspaven

Ok so your saying I had 200ml still sitting around the engine after I drained it and I put in around 3.35 litres accidently instead of 3.2 meaning I have lets say an excess of 400ml.

 

Can 400ml -0.5l is enough to cause damage? I haven't overfilled it by a litre or anything.

 

While driving I haven't notice anything unusual.

 

Next time how do I fully drain every single drop from the engine cause I thought it was fully drained when I start seeing slow interval drops.

If it's above the max line at all, it's far from ideal. Over filling and keeping it like that CAN cause more long term damage like ruptured oil seals, oil pressurised onto the clutch, possible bearing damage, all the things mentioned in iriches link which I presume you actually read? All of these are expennnsiiiiiive. It's if there's so much in there that the crankshaft foams it up that you'll get some big problems cos you'll start restricting the lubricating properties of the oil.

 

Unless you're prepared to strip the engine to a certain degree, my understanding is it's generally much not likely to be able to drain it completely cos of the small bends, nooks and crannies all engines have in their design. The word 'never' was the key one to take note of in that sentence really.

 

The ring I drew around the picture I included is the bit that you needed to take note of from the official Skoda Octavia manual that came with my car.

 

It's not necessarily just about a certain, specific amount of overfill; you don't pour a litre of beer into a pint glass.

 

 

edit: was on the phone to my service counter mate at the dealer about gearbox oil so I asked him, and he thinks 3.2l is the correct amount for a 1.6 petrol (vrs/1.8t engines are listed as 4.6l) so goodness knows what you did to get it overfilled if you actually put 3.2l in. He said the diesels he works on are 4.6 also but usually they have to put closer to another 300ml in to get them to the max mark. Did you actually wipe the dipstick clean before reinserting to check it??

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by blackspaven

If it's above the max line at all, it's far from ideal. Over filling and keeping it like that CAN cause more long term damage like ruptured oil seals, oil pressurised onto the clutch, possible bearing damage, all the things mentioned in iriches link which I presume you actually read? All of these are expennnsiiiiiive. It's if there's so much in there that the crankshaft foams it up that you'll get some big problems cos you'll start restricting the lubricating properties of the oil.

 

Unless you're prepared to strip the engine to a certain degree, my understanding is it's generally much not likely to be able to drain it completely cos of the small bends, nooks and crannies all engines have in their design. The word 'never' was the key one to take note of in that sentence really.

 

The ring I drew around the picture I included is the bit that you needed to take note of from the official Skoda Octavia manual that came with my car.

 

It's not necessarily just about a certain, specific amount of overfill; you don't pour a litre of beer into a pint glass.

 

 

edit: was on the phone to my service counter mate at the dealer about gearbox oil so I asked him, and he thinks 3.2l is the correct amount for a 1.6 petrol (vrs/1.8t engines are listed as 4.6l) so goodness knows what you did to get it overfilled if you actually put 3.2l in. He said the diesels he works on are 4.6 also but usually they have to put closer to another 300ml in to get them to the max mark. Did you actually wipe the dipstick clean before reinserting to check it??

 

Yes the dipstick was wiped clean before reinserting.

 

So I should expect total engine failure soon and doomed cause of that extra 400ml- 0.5l excess oil?

 

It says in the manual that the engine consumes 0.5l every so km so I am hoping this will burn off the excess.

 

I remember the last time I was at a garage I seen a mechanic pour nearly the whole 5l oil bottle into a small 1.4 standard hatchback car and told the customer there's half a litre left for future top ups. Theres millions of oil changes happening every month at independent garages. Im sure the mechanic doesn't go on the internet in the office spending 5 mins finding out the capacity for each customer car he works on so how does the mechanic know generally speaking?

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by Laureen1979

Yes the dipstick was wiped clean before reinserting.

 

So I should expect total engine failure soon and doomed cause of that extra 400ml- 0.5l excess oil?

 

It says in the manual that the engine consumes 0.5l every so km so I am hoping this will burn off the excess.

 

I remember the last time I was at a garage I seen a mechanic pour nearly the whole 5l oil bottle into a small 1.4 standard hatchback car and told the customer there's half a litre left for future top ups. Theres millions of oil changes happening every month at independent garages. Im sure the mechanic doesn't go on the internet in the office spending 5 mins finding out the capacity for each customer car he works on so how does the mechanic know generally speaking?

 

I can assure you that the mechanic WILL check exactly how much oil is recommended before filling a car.

Are you sure it's not just a small amount that has been dragged up the pipe there the dipstick is inserted?

Yes the dipstick was wiped clean before reinserting.

 

So I should expect total engine failure soon and doomed cause of that extra 400ml- 0.5l excess oil?

 

It says in the manual that the engine consumes 0.5l every so km so I am hoping this will burn off the excess.

 

I remember the last time I was at a garage I seen a mechanic pour nearly the whole 5l oil bottle into a small 1.4 standard hatchback car and told the customer there's half a litre left for future top ups. Theres millions of oil changes happening every month at independent garages. Im sure the mechanic doesn't go on the internet in the office spending 5 mins finding out the capacity for each customer car he works on so how does the mechanic know generally speaking?

 

Total engine failure? Nothing like the dramatic eh, ffs?!

 

The manual actually says it's NORMAL that it MAY consume that, not that it will. Read it carefully.

 

Every model is different, so quite often indy garage mechanics DO check from a certain source how much will go into it. My mate at Skoda is the service MANAGER and HE had to look up how much oil my car needed on an oil change. Try going to an indy garage and you may find that out.

 

By your own admission, you know f*ck all cars but you seem to know what's best, again, so just leave it as it is and hope for the best, I'm sure it'll all turn out fine.

Get one of these for the next oil change, you can then drain out as much or as little oil as needed.

 

Quite a neat idea I thought...

 

http://www.sumpplug.com/

 

Nifty, but not sure I'd pay £20 for it. Also have that thing in the back of my mind that it might open when driving, as much as it appears it never would.

 

Be like the wacky races behind me!

Ok I googled 'too much engine oil' and I get this 1st result:

 

http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9533-Putting-too-much-oil-in-engine

 

It says over 1 quart or 2 quarts then drain off excess however can anyone confirm that half a quart excess will cause any concern and worth the hassle of draining off?

 

Also I can see that the Main Skoda dealer put in 34 Qty of engine oil in my car in the last year service shown in the invoice at a net total of £38.08. I assumed dealer put in 3.4 litres in. But I put in less than so I don't understand?

 

Also what are the visual symptoms of over excess oil so I know that if I really have a problem or not?

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by Laureen1979

Sooo.... the link you provided was for a 2.5l turbo diesel injection,.... and you own a car running a 1.6 petrol lump.    You also mention quarts, of which there is no reference in your link so at no point does "it say" anything of the sort! This is an American term which just shows that despite people once again offering you advice, this time on something that is pretty much black and white, you're instead deciding to search the internet until you again get a solution that fits what YOU want to do regardless of what others have advised to make it 1) cheap and 2) easy for you, although I get the impression the cheap side is winning the battle here.

 

Are you deliberately trying to look like an idiot and p1ss people on here off cos you're managing it with aplomb?!

 

Oh god here we bloody go again. As said in the previous threads TRUST someone who knows a damn sight more than you do.

You were told in the first couple of replies on this thread to get any excess drained because of the problems that excess oil can cause.

 

Believe me, your attitude of total distrust is winning you VERY few friends on here.

 

Being a member of a car forum, this one or any other, does not seem to work for you. The way it SHOULD work is this: Ask a question, get replies and suggestions, and act on the advice given (especially as you are not in the know yourself).

 

The way THIS is working is totally different -- Ask the question, get replies and suggestions, and totally go against all the advice given, questioning whether every bit of information is correct, and not TRUSTING anything that is directed to you as good advice and genuine help.

 

Look at the number of similar or almost identical replies you are getting from different folk. Many times you are told to go find an independent garage AND TRUST them, but no, you know better every time. SURELY the consistency of the many replies are telling you SOMETHING??? 

 

 

I know you didn't bother reading the picture I posted despite me going to the effort of doing it for your benefit, but re-read these edited sentences from Mike PROPERLY, ffs!!!

Since you love the internet above all else, there is a delicious irony here.

 

If you do what you said you did and use google as a search engine, look at the very FIRST line of the THIRD result on it from the Quora website...

 

 

It's mindblowing that all the other hits on that specific google search have people saying over a certain amount you'll fry your engine for all the reasons we've given here. But what do we know.

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by blackspaven

Sooo.... the link you provided was for a 2.5l turbo diesel injection,.... and you own a car running a 1.6 petrol lump.    You also mention quarts, of which there is no reference in your link so at no point does "it say" anything of the sort! This is an American term which just shows that despite people once again offering you advice, this time on something that is pretty much black and white, you're instead deciding to search the internet until you again get a solution that fits what YOU want to do regardless of what others have advised to make it 1) cheap and 2) easy for you, although I get the impression the cheap side is winning the battle here.

 

Are you deliberately trying to look like an idiot and p1ss people on here off cos you're managing it with aplomb?!

 

 

 

I know you didn't bother reading the picture I posted despite me going to the effort of doing it for your benefit, but re-read these edited sentences from Mike PROPERLY, ffs!!!

 

I thought a quart is a correct term for engine oil measurement. 1 quart is 1 litre right?

:( This is a wind up isn't it?!

 

No. It is an imperial measurement, generally used mainly in the states, hence my earlier statement. a litre is metric.

 

Don't use terms confidently if you're not sure what they are, especially if you're after help as it makes it confusing, but we're still curious to know where you got the term 'quart' from as it's not in your link and by your own admission you apparently don't know much about cars??

Edited 15 April, 201511 yr by blackspaven

Next time how do I fully drain every single drop from the engine cause I thought it was fully drained when I start seeing slow interval drops.

When you pour the last bit of olive oil or honey out of the bottle / squeeze pack and let the container sit on the counter for 5 minutes you get a small puddle of oil / honey forming again.  It's the same with the engine.  The oil sticks to all the surfaces.  

 

The only way to get it completely clean is to flush it with degreaser or kerosene - which will ruin the engine.  This why the oil looks dirty 50km after doing the oil change - because the new oil is flushing all the old oil off the various surfaces and galleries.

 

Here's a fairly typical VW dipstick.  The maximum point is at "A" but it's probably OK up to about 3mm above "A".  Many people wouldn't agree with me (fair enough) so it's one of those personal risk things.  When i fill my oil I aim to get it to the top of the "B" section & recheck after a few days & add more after that.

 

It says in the manual that the engine consumes 0.5l every so km so I am hoping this will burn off the excess.

 

NO,that's incorrect.  It says that the engine MAY consume UP TO 0.5L per 1000km.  If you've got a good engine that won't happen.  I use 100ml/5000km.

 

 

 

I remember the last time I was at a garage I seen a mechanic pour nearly the whole 5l oil bottle into a small 1.4 standard hatchback car and told the customer there's half a litre left for future top ups. Theres millions of oil changes happening every month at independent garages. Im sure the mechanic doesn't go on the internet in the office spending 5 mins finding out the capacity for each customer car he works on so how does the mechanic know generally speaking?

They know because they've got years & years of experience and it's very likely that the container they drained the oil into had graduations on it so he knew how much came out.  

A good mechanic knows a lot of stuff about the cars they regularly work on without having to look it up.  I know so much useless crap from 25 years back when I actually swung on a spanner it isn't funny.  I can rattle off the points gap, spark plug gap & ignition timing of vehicles that I haven't worked on in years.

 

Mechanics generally aren't dumb or stupid.  I was an average mechanic at best (in both intelligence & ability).  After doing my trade I did further education so that I could become a para-professional engineer.  I've worked extensively in various aspects of  aircraft maintenance (production planning, information technology & capital equipment purchasing) and now work in water infrastructure (dams, pipelines, pumping stations) and run a Civil, Mechanical, Electrical contract worth several million dollars.  With appropriate training most mechanics could do what i do - they are usually very smart people.

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by brad1.8T

No offence to the OP, but there is far more to working on a car than following instructions you've found on the internet, as you've been told time and time again.

If your internet guide said to pour soapy water into the oil cap to clean the engine out, would you follow it?

Common sense and a bit of logical thought process can take you a very long way.

Now... Where is my popcorn?

Not again, surely?!

Yup........

Dipstick - how ironic.

Dipstick - how ironic.

 

I thought that but even I thought I couldn't be that cruel.

 

Mercy, it would show some balls to come back on here after that trouncing by.... well everyone!

Also I can see that the Main Skoda dealer put in 34 Qty of engine oil in my car in the last year service shown in the invoice at a net total of £38.08. I assumed dealer put in 3.4 litres in. But I put in less than so I don't understand?

 

Also what are the visual symptoms of over excess oil so I know that if I really have a problem or not?

 

Can anyone confirm that half a quart or litre or 500ml whatever excess will cause any concern and worth the hassle of draining off?

 

No more argumentive trolling on my thread and please address the questions above otherwise you will be reported to the admin.

 

And NO where did I say I am a expert and know a lot about cars. If I was I wouldn't be here

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by Laureen1979

No more argumentive trolling on my thread and please address the questions above otherwise you will be reported to the admin.

 

Scary!

 

It's patently obvious you know nothing about cars, don't worry about any confusion.

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by blackspaven

Engine Oil too much? This Post too much?

 

Why don't you JUST DRAIN THE EXCESS and be happy that you are not risking any engine damage AT ALL.

 

Get a large syringe, or something to syphon it out. Simples.

Haha how Laureen1979 is here for the jokes - I just hope you replaced the sum plug. 

 

If not I am afraid it doesnt matter how much oil you've put in. You might as well order a new engine now...