2.0 tdi 110ps 5 speed clutch rating?

[Llanigraham]

I saw that info but it's not a signature and it doesn't mention a tsi yeti anywhere does it? - unless its me being thick hence my confusion and frustration. I'm replying whilst at work on my phone so maybe I'm getting an abreviated version of the site.

Signatures are usually present in every post as a tag aren't they ? Like if I had my car spec listed on every post.

Anyway anyone know of the torque limit on the 5 speed gearbox ?

 

2 points:

Some of us consider that the details on the left are a "signature" and should at least accurately show the car you have, if possible. Others consider a "signature" the bits you have below a posting, like my 4x4 Response note.

The fact that something appears differently on different display methods means that people should prhaps be more explicit in their questions. I also read your initial question and wasn't sure what model you were asking about.

 

I do think your response in #14 was a bit "strong", and I've got history in that field!!

 

As to your question, I don't think anyone actually states a torque/bhp recommendation figure for the clutch. I have only ever seen such a thing stated for specialist competition clutches.

[Llanigraham]

Jesus I know what they say about the average age of yeti owners but it's like being in an alzheimers home In here

 

I might be over 60, but I'm not that crazy yet!!  :think:

 

And I think you'll find our age range goes from the 20's to the 70's. 

 

 

(Just thought, I suppose you don't see Smiley's on your mobile device either............damn!!)

[boemher]

I have seen it discussed for dsg transmissions with different torque ratings for 7 speed dry and 6 speed wet, and as I mentioned I've also found same info on older PD engines transmission.

As for your other comments - I do see smileys, I guess you can't read sarcasm without them if you didnt find the alzheimers gag ironic. As it is a forum injoke we are all pensioners.

[VAGCF]

Even without the information, I've said on another thread that as cars can be used for towing and especially those like the Yeti, then I would think there was some headroom in the limit for the clutch and transmission.

 

I would have thought that towing would put a greater strain on components than a Stage 1 remap would?

 

Doesn't hurt to actually see the figures, though does it. They must be somewhere on the web.  

[boemher]

I dont know about the comparison with towing, ive never towed 1st gear does seem very short however presumably to help with taking off with a load.

The numbers should be available somewhere you would think. I found some info in the yeti sub forum of the type but I can't find any ratings for it:

Sachs 288mm clutch CFHA 2.0TDI CR 110

Im not after a massive increase in power , a lot of boxes vary in their torque output even on stage one I've seen range from 310-360 NM depending on the brand. I reckon 350 NM is sailing close to the limit for clutch durability.

A remap would be my preference but with a box I think I could get one delivered, install it mysef and then remove it for servicing and impending recall work. Whereas any remap will probably be wiped and gives Skoda/VW some wiggle room to weasel out of things.

I'm enjoying driving it in its standard form at the moment to be honest. It delivers the same torque as the 1.8 tsi (over a much smaller rev range) and feels punchy if you keep it in its best rpm. At most I'd like a bit more pull with the ability to use 5th gear comfortabley at slightly lower speeds and be able to pull away with it. The 1.8 tsi has spoiled me in this regard.

Edited 23 October, 2015 by boemher

[Ryeman]

^^^^I suspect a lot of technical specs have been 'pulled' now that lawyers are involved.........along the lines of "m'lud even today VW STILL claims .......(emissions/power/torque).

On such matters relating to the 'chosen' I expect silence......but lots of soothing words

[VAGCF]

I've never had a car remapped but having had plenty of VWG 2.0 litre diesels previously this is maybe one I will consider as it's performance is well below previous cars.

 

Like you I enjoy driving it (as you can do with low powered cars) but sometimes in this ever more rushing about society i.e. when commuting, it can be a liability.

 

As you say first is very low and I've been tooted at more than once when pulling away at islands etc. in the commuting grand prix. Though once into 2nd and above it goes OK. I've said before that this car should have had the 6 speed box as the gap between 5th and 6th is too great for the power of the engine. The power of modern diesels, i.e. the torque characteristics, has certainly been diminished on the road, if not on paper, and you have to drive them more like petrol engines. 

[gumdrop]

........but one's 2 wheel drive ,5 speed gearbox.

The other's 4 wheel drive ,6 speed gearbox....?

Sorry you are right of course.

[boemher]

I dont know what other 2.0 diesels you have driven but I've heard that the previous PD engines much more peaky in their delivery which I guess you have sampled.

One thing where I'm really impressed with is the smoothness and quietness. Much better than the Fiat multijet 1.6 in the jeep.

[TinyRobotMan]

Boemher, I had my Yeti 2.0 110 2WD remapped by Shark. For 3 days I thought it was the best money I'd ever spent. Then the clutch started slipping and the power vanished. Couldn't afford to have it fixed so had no choice but to trade it in.

My Yeti had done about 60k miles when I had the map put on, so the clutch was well used, but even so it was gutting it died so quickly.

If your car hasn't done that many miles you'll probably be ok, but personally I wouldn't do it again - it's just too expensive to get a clutch replaced (I was quoted £1300 dealer, £850 independent for a clutch and flywheel).

The Shark figures for the map are on their website, but from memory it took the 110 to 140bhp with 350nm torque.

Good luck with whatever you do!

[g6zru]

I have seen it discussed for dsg transmissions with different torque ratings for 7 speed dry and 6 speed wet, and as I mentioned I've also found same info on older PD engines transmission.

As for your other comments - I do see smileys, I guess you can't read sarcasm without them if you didnt find the alzheimers gag ironic. As it is a forum injoke we are all pensioners.

Another for my ignore list. From someone with some alzheimers symptoms.

 

Fred

[boemher]

Urrell sorry for being so rude the other day. I genuinely thought you were being obtuse, reading your other posts on the forum I realise you weren't.

I hope you accept this apology as sincere.

[boemher]

Hmm that's the scenario I fear TinyRobotMan. Mine has 20k on it so plenty of life yet ,I've never had a car where I've had the clutch worn out or had to spend money on big repair bills.

[Ootohere]

Maybe worth speaking with DarrelGB on what he researched on the Gearboxes.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/326591-2014-greenline-project-fastest-16tdi-in-the-uk

 

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OT, but i notice about the Yeti section and owners that they are the most inclined to make posts telling people they add them to their ignore list.

Nice to know, but then they seem to read your posts, then tell you again.

Groundhog posting.

 

I am on Freds i believe, as he has told me several times,

on many other members as well, so i hope they remember they do not need to tell me again.

[Ryeman]

Hmm that's the scenario I fear TinyRobotMan. Mine has 20k on it so plenty of life yet ,I've never had a car where I've had the clutch worn out or had to spend money on big repair bills.

I would be using VW's current embarrassment to push for a very good trade-up rather than the complication and worry involved in any sort of power mod for a 5 speed, all other factors being equal.

'In the good old days' we could fiddle to our hearts content without any fear of blowing up a motorised computer such as we now have.

(wistfully staring into the distance)

(backwards)

[boemher]

I just got the yeti last week ! I don't want to trade it in just yet. I think I got a good deal on it presumably because of vws current embarrassment

The engine variant I chose was a compromise like all things. Ideally I'd like a 1.8 tsi 4x4 or a 170 ps tdi but neither of those would suit my needs for mpg and financial reasons. It will need to do 12 k a year so I wanted a low miler pre facelift for looks and the 170 ps Yetis hold their value too well and all seem to be high milers. Yetis in general seem to hold their value too well. One example was 10k asking price for a 2009 140 ps 4x4 with 70k miles on the clock.

The most important things for me when picking this time were aesthetics ,trim and price. I really like the adventure spec it make the yeti look cooler imo and the seats are nice ( wife hates leather seats in my car when child seats are plugged in tget creak ). This was an important factor in justifying the yeti as a paletable alternative when my wife really wanted a Jeep Renegade. The 2.0 tdi 110 also provides pretty good economy.

I could have bought a 140 4x4 Adventure for £3500 extra and with 10000 more miles on it, the higher price tag and greater running costs meant I couldn't justify it. Arnold Clark have around 100 2015 plate Renegades for 14.5 - 16k in a variety of colours and trim levels. Which basically forced me below that as a price ceiling.

The Yeti has replaced my wifes Golf 1.6 fsi so it is actually a nice step up. My Octavia is fast enough for me, but I know that the 110 Yeti is capable of a bit more so why not once the warranty has ended - so long as it's possible to increase it safely.

Edited 24 October, 2015 by boemher

[Ryeman]

.......... so why not once the warranty has ended - if it's possible to increase it safely.

Let's hope for your sake the possible compo isn't an extended (5 year) warranty.........(?)

[boemher]

You mean an extended warranty after recall works been done ?

[Ryeman]

You mean an extended warranty after recall works been done ?

Yes

It'd be soooo cheap BUT with the benefit of giving confidence back to (potential) owners that they are confident that nothing expensive will fail........(and just between you and me ....force you to keep coming back for service)

[Llanigraham]

I just got the yeti last week ! I don't want to trade it in just yet. I think I got a good deal on it presumably because of vws current embarrassment

The engine variant I chose was a compromise like all things. Ideally I'd like a 1.8 tsi 4x4 or a 170 ps tdi but neither of those would suit my needs for mpg and financial reasons. It will need to do 12 k a year so I wanted a low miler pre facelift for looks and the 170 ps Yetis hold their value too well and all seem to be high milers. Yetis in general seem to hold their value too well. One example was 10k asking price for a 2009 140 ps 4x4 with 70k miles on the clock.

The most important things for me when picking this time were aesthetics ,trim and price. I really like the adventure spec it make the yeti look cooler imo and the seats are nice ( wife hates leather seats in my car when child seats are plugged in tget creak ). This was an important factor in justifying the yeti as a paletable alternative when my wife really wanted a Jeep Renegade. The 2.0 tdi 110 also provides pretty good economy.

I could have bought a 140 4x4 Adventure for £3500 extra and with 10000 more miles on it, the higher price tag and greater running costs meant I couldn't justify it. Arnold Clark have around 100 2015 plate Renegades for 14.5 - 16k in a variety of colours and trim levels. Which basically forced me below that as a price ceiling.

The Yeti has replaced my wifes Golf 1.6 fsi so it is actually a nice step up. My Octavia is fast enough for me, but I know that the 110 Yeti is capable of a bit more so why not once the warranty has ended - so long as it's possible to increase it safely.

 

I think most of us have found that the 140 is probably the most fuel efficient of the diesels. Certainly over the nearly 90k miles mine has done in 5 years I have averaged the mid 40's, and that includes towing a caravan. The only thing I have had replaced have been 2 rear springs. 

[Ryeman]

^^^*which raises the question, why WOULDN'T VW go for a 5 year warranty.

[boemher]

I think most of us have found that the 140 is probably the most fuel efficient of the diesels. Certainly over the nearly 90k miles mine has done in 5 years I have averaged the mid 40's, and that includes towing a caravan. The only thing I have had replaced have been 2 rear springs.

I've read that too, in the same way a 1.8 tsi can be provide better returns than a 1.6 fsi if you try to drive the lower powered car as if it were the more powerful one But the 2wd diesels are more economical as the manufacturers figures sughest if you drive them for economy. Im seeing over 50mpg true so far , all 400 miles we have done in it, and that's not babying it.

Edited 24 October, 2015 by boemher

[The Plumber]

Just a note for those purchasing older Yeti's, in 2009 there were two different 140 TDi, a common Rail first generation CBDB, which was replaced in November by the second generation design CFHC, being supposedly slightly cleaner and more efficient and from driving both the latter engine is also a little smoother. However I'd imagine both might fall under the dodgy design cloud currently hanging over VAG.

 

 

TP

[VAGCF]

I dont know what other 2.0 diesels you have driven but I've heard that the previous PD engines much more peaky in their delivery which I guess you have sampled.

One thing where I'm really impressed with is the smoothness and quietness. Much better than the Fiat multijet 1.6 in the jeep.

 

Quite a few! My first was a VW Vento which had the 1.9 PD engine. Only 90bhp but it went really well, was economical and its party trick was going up through its 5 gears without touching the throttle. Try that on a latter car!

 

Then it was one of the first Passat estates with 130bhp. Again with the PD engine which could be a bit brutal when pulling away at islands and the turbo kicked in! Followed by two of the later 140bhp Passat estates, 2005 and 2009. Don't know what the earlier one was, probably an early CR but that was a another manual and again went well. The later one was a DSG and went well enough but I felt that the engine was already losing the big shove and was more smooth and linear.

 

Then a 2013 A6 Avant/estate with 170bhp. Lovely car but it was Multitronic (CVT) which I wasn't overly keen on - I prefer the DSG where you still have distinct gears. Very smooth and quiet but because of the gear-box you couldn't really judge the characteristics of the engine, but I guess that was part of the idea in a car like that! Swopped if for the petrol TT after about 12 months and then bough the Yeti a couple of months ago.

 

Yes, the engine in the Yeti is pretty smooth and quiet (not as much as in the A6 though!) which is why I smile when the diesel haters still refer to them as noisy and smelly!

[boemher]

I've done some more research, it seems that no current diesel engined VW group vehicle puts more than 250 NM through that 5 speed box in a tranverse mount.

This info is just from forum and brochure reading so it's not exhaustive.

It makes me wonder whether the old 1.9 tdi PD units with the 5 speed box shared similar ratings and components. The Fabia MK1 VRS put 310 NM through its transmission.

The 6 speed gewrbox seems to have a 350 NM limit for VW applications.

Most remaps and tuning boxes claim 350 NM for the 2.0 tdi 110ps as their upgraded figure. I think, as a doom monger, this is probably too much for the 5speed transmission, for prolonged usage and most likely would create a lot more wear and strain. I think if you had the 110ps with the 6speed in the 4x4 you would be safe with a stage 1 remap.