Put 250ml in a 54ish l fill in my fabia.

 

 100ml per tankful should be sufficient.  The cost of oil per tankfull must put you up towards Super Diesel prices. To the original poster, look up 2-EHN, which is what Millers, Rhino etc is - but they just dilute it with bulking agents such as kerosene. You can buy it pure off Ebay and add 60ml per tank.

100ml per tankful should be sufficient.  The cost of oil per tankfull must put you up towards Super Diesel prices. To the original poster, look up 2-EHN, which is what Millers, Rhino etc is - but they just dilute it with bulking agents such as kerosene. You can buy it pure off Ebay and add 60ml per tank.

Castrol actevo is around £9/Litre, if one puts 200 ml that's 5 tanks so just less than £2, it does get towards premium diesel prices but then it's suggested it gives the same level (or more) of benefits. So when it's not easy to get premium diesel (like in rural wales) it seems like a reasonable option. I'll check the 2-EHN stuff, would that also have lubricating potential as 2 stroke does? Is the 2-EHN just a cetane booster?

What 2 stroke do you use mate? How long have you done it for?

 

About a 8 months/20k in the Ibiza, since I was corrected on the fact that I thought PD pumps were reliable. Always used it in the transit and it did 50k in my ownership, initially with a slightly tappy diesel pump that quietened down well.

 

I'm going to go against what everyone's said here and be "internet wrong". I use a fully synth, so I don't get deposits on the valves, after having seen inside many bike engines that have been run on cheap 2-stroke.

 

I will, however, say I don't give a flying **** what comes out of my exhaust. It only smokes when it's got a boost leak or I'm giving it death. Although as it's a PD Ibiza, it normally has got a boost leak somewhere, and generally is given death everywhere.

 

If by some miracle, it kills the cat, I'll just weigh it in and put a straight pipe in it's place, I'll probably make a profit. It's an 02-plate diesel, so it only gets a smoke test.

 

I put 1% in, so a 20l fill gets 200ml.

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by StevesTruck

The missus previously worked in a Tesco petrol station and use to chat to the fuel delivery drivers so I got her to ask them about the difference in fuel between brands.

 

They told her that when filling the tanker they sit in a queue with all the other different tankers i.e might be Shell in front, Esso behind with Asda behind that etc etc

 

They pull up to the same pumping station and connect the same hose to the tanker as all of the other brands use, so unless there is some behind doors secret switching of fuel supply/tank behind the scenes they are all using the same fuel.

 

I obviously cannot collaborate this but sounds like the sort of thing that would happen in rip-off britain, you are paying more for the brand name but actually getting the same thing just paying more for it!

 

I doubt there would be any interest from government departments in investigating as long as the tax money keeps pouring in.

 

If I was minted I would get some random samples tested, but I'm not so I won't 

Read this.

 

http://www.fuelexpert.co.za/2-stroke-oil-in-diesel-technical-study.php

The missus previously worked in a Tesco petrol station and use to chat to the fuel delivery drivers so I got her to ask them about the difference in fuel between brands.

 

They told her that when filling the tanker they sit in a queue with all the other different tankers i.e might be Shell in front, Esso behind with Asda behind that etc etc

 

They pull up to the same pumping station and connect the same hose to the tanker as all of the other brands use, so unless there is some behind doors secret switching of fuel supply/tank behind the scenes they are all using the same fuel.

 

I obviously cannot collaborate this but sounds like the sort of thing that would happen in rip-off britain, you are paying more for the brand name but actually getting the same thing just paying more for it!

 

This is all absolutely true except that at the filling station the tanker driver puts an additive pack in when they pump it across to the fuel station. So the fuel you get at the refinery is the same, the fuel out of the pumps at the filling station is slightly different.

Partly, yes, as well as people talking from personal experience, including people on this forum.http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/adding-2-stroke-oil-to-diesel-tank-read-this_topic37935.html

I take it you've not tried it then as you don't think there's any need to? I do hear what you're saying, but I've also read some interesting stuff in favour.

I try never to be put off by people with poor spelling and grammar but that linked article is just horrible and massively undermines the credibility of the author in my opinion. That and he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.

I try never to be put off by people with poor spelling and grammar but that linked article is just horrible and massively undermines the credibility of the author in my opinion. That and he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.

It was so bad that it made my teeth itch!

This is a strange one I've never heard of running 2 stroke in a car before. When I used to frequent the golf forums quite a few people recommended running about half to a full litre of atf in the oil prior to an oil change as it's supposed to have detergents in it, didn't effect my engine in any negative ways. Some also recommended allowing the breather system to suck up water to clean the engine, the principle was ok but too much of a risk for me.

Read this.

 

http://www.fuelexpert.co.za/2-stroke-oil-in-diesel-technical-study.php

The zinc thing is slightly worrying. Interesting to see that cetane rating did raise slightly...think I may be sticking with Shell and millers or a 2-EHN cetane booster after all.

Thing with that article though, where benefits were evident they played them down somewhat.

The zinc thing is slightly worrying. Interesting to see that cetane rating did raise slightly...think I may be sticking with Shell and millers or a 2-EHN cetane booster after all.

Thing with that article though, where benefits were evident they played them down somewhat.

You need to be careful with the graphs that seem to show improvements because they are averages. The I-shaped error bars set into the top of each bar show the range of error in the results. If the error bars cross between results then there is no difference in reality, even if the average was slightly higher. It's a statistics thing.

That's actually a proper scientific trial. And adding 2-stroke oil did f-all to anything except increase the risk of deposits in the engine.

You need to be careful with the graphs that seem to show improvements because they are averages. The I-shaped error bars set into the top of each bar show the range of error in the results. If the error bars cross between results then there is no difference in reality, even if the average was slightly higher. It's a statistics thing.

That's actually a proper scientific trial. And adding 2-stroke oil did f-all to anything except increase the risk of deposits in the engine.

 

What an enormous surprise, I didn't see that coming at all.

It was still worth bringing up I reckon, more information is never a bad thing. At least now I'm able to make a more informed decision on whether I do it or not...

Anybody want to buy a bottle of 2 stroke, unopened?

I'm still intrigued by the benefits people have claimed though...

It was still worth bringing up I reckon, more information is never a bad thing. At least now I'm able to make a more informed decision on whether I do it or not...

Anybody want to buy a bottle of 2 stroke, unopened?

I'm still intrigued by the benefits people have claimed though...

 

Glad you've seen the light, I can briefly explain the claimed benefits part for you, it's the same way homeopathy works, these people don't want to appear ignorant and gullible (even though they actually are), so they convince others to support them, this snowballs thanks to the internet until there are enough supporters to drown out any lone dissenters with sneers and jeers. Simple sociology, I've even seen it here on Briskoda.

Glad you've seen the light, I can briefly explain the claimed benefits part for you, it's the same way homeopathy works, these people don't want to appear ignorant and gullible (even though they actually are), so they convince others to support them, this snowballs thanks to the internet until there are enough supporters to drown out any lone dissenters with sneers and jeers. Simple sociology, I've even seen it here on Briskoda.

Yeah I get that, some accounts did sound pretty convincing though. Cheers for the input.

You need to be careful with the graphs that seem to show improvements because they are averages. The I-shaped error bars set into the top of each bar show the range of error in the results. If the error bars cross between results then there is no difference in reality, even if the average was slightly higher. It's a statistics thing.

That's actually a proper scientific trial. And adding 2-stroke oil did f-all to anything except increase the risk of deposits in the engine.

The only thing I would add is that the tests were done on common rail diesels rather than the vw pd engines.

Not sure how much difference that will make though.

Even if it's just placebo effect, that means homoeopathy works to some extent.

 

I do know Rhus tox worked on my arthritic old dog, and I never told him he was taking it.

 

 

This is a strange one I've never heard of running 2 stroke in a car before. When I used to frequent the golf forums quite a few people recommended running about half to a full litre of atf in the oil prior to an oil change as it's supposed to have detergents in it, didn't effect my engine in any negative ways. Some also recommended allowing the breather system to suck up water to clean the engine, the principle was ok but too much of a risk for me.

 

Not sure about using water as a cleaning agent in an iron and steel engine, but then if 99% of the internets car forum dwellers saw how I clean oil breather gauzes out, they'd have a fit.

 

The only evidence I can apply to 2-stroke in a diesel is the transit, when I got it the fuel pump had a slight tappey-ness, no loud by any means but I took it as a sign it was on it's one way trip. I ran 2 stroke in the diesel and it never died, if anything, it got quieter.

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by StevesTruck

The only thing I would add is that the tests were done on common rail diesels rather than the vw pd engines.

Not sure how much difference that will make though.

 

PD injectors may be slightly more resistant to clogging than CR injectors, it's still a bad idea though.

Homeopathy is the basis for modern medicine, the biggest difference is that pharmaceutical companies cannot patent nature (yet) and the pharmaceutical industry is a multi billion dollar industry which thrives on patents and marketing to earn it's money.

It's the main reason cannabis is illegal because it has many, many health benefits but it's also a plant (nature) and thus cannot as of yet be patented for profit. Funny really as some U.S. States have legalised it for medicinal use but in other states there are millions of people who have lost there freedoms because of it lol.

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by theezenutz

Even if it's just placebo effect, that means homoeopathy works to some extent.

 

I do know Rhus tox worked on my arthritic old dog, and I never told him he was taking it.

 

 

 

Not sure about using water as a cleaning agent in an iron and steel engine, but then if 99% of the internets car forum dwellers saw how I clean oil breather gauzes out, they'd have a fit.

 

The only evidence I can apply to 2-stroke in a diesel is the transit, when I got it the fuel pump had a slight tappey-ness, no loud by any means but I took it as a sign it was on it's one way trip. I ran 2 stroke in the diesel and it never died, if anything, it got quieter.

Not going to get into it really I wasn't going to risk my engine that's for sure. The principle are ok though as in the water get drawn in then turned to steam aka steam cleaning but too much can cause the engine to hydro lock.

What an enormous surprise, I didn't see that coming at all.

You didn't see what coming; that some people do not understand statistics?

Not sure about using water as a cleaning agent in an iron and steel engine, but then if 99% of the internets car forum dwellers saw how I clean oil breather gauzes out, they'd have a fit.

 

The only evidence I can apply to 2-stroke in a diesel is the transit, when I got it the fuel pump had a slight tappey-ness, no loud by any means but I took it as a sign it was on it's one way trip. I ran 2 stroke in the diesel and it never died, if anything, it got quieter.

 

Steam is very effective at removing stubborn deposits, the water would be converted to steam very quickly in a hot combustion chamber and this would scour the combustion chamber, valves and piston crown. Not too much water though or the engine will hydraulic lock, I certainly wouldn't dream of doing it myself, modern engines don't coke up like the old gas guzzlers did anyway.

 

Old-tech diesel transit I'm guessing with a mechanical metering pump and injectors like hosepipe nozzles, that's probably how the myth got started because the extra zinc content could theoretically help a wearing mechanical part and slow down or even arrest the wear.

Hooray for Science!

 

 

Read this.

 

http://www.fuelexpert.co.za/2-stroke-oil-in-diesel-technical-study.php

Call me old fashioned but I won't be putting water near my engine. There was a thread on here somewhere of someone doing it, but no, not for me thank you.

Read this.

 

http://www.fuelexpert.co.za/2-stroke-oil-in-diesel-technical-study.php

 

Much appreciated Chorlton.