Hi all, 

 

Im new to the forum, So go easy in me, but have lurked for a while. 

Today I was talking to a collegue about my car making a funny noise on startup.

He said it could be the starter itself or the clutch.

So he said to see if its the clutch. Try putting the car in fith and gunning it with the handbrake on.

Anyway I did this, stupid I know and after the car just wouldn't go into gear at all. 

I left it for half an hour and its now drivable (2 hours later) but its a little difficult to get in gear at times, but drives perfectly?

Have I damaged the clutch or did it just overheat?

 

Thanks

Hi, welcome to Briskoda,

 

The noise is probably the usual screech from the starter when they start to get tired, some people have had success with removing it and cleaning it up, others have not. At the end of the day, if you have the time to try, then that and a few squirts of WD40 is all you have to lose.

 

As to the other bit with the "put it in 5th and gun it" bit, how long did you do it for?, a few seconds or much longer?. It probably has got very hot and may take a few days of much less abuse to settle down, but it really depends on how much abuse it took to be henest

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by kentphil1

Hi Kent, 

 

Definitely a less than a minute I also did it in reverse before for a few seconds.

Clutch didn't slip tho from what I recall.

Thanks for the reply 

Edited 4 January, 201610 yr by Dazl1212

Hi all, 

 

Im new to the forum, So go easy in me, but have lurked for a while. 

Today I was talking to a collegue about my car making a funny noise on startup.

He said it could be the starter itself or the clutch.

So he said to see if its the clutch. Try putting the car in fith and gunning it with the handbrake on.

Anyway I did this, stupid I know and after the car just wouldn't go into gear at all. 

I left it for half an hour and its now drivable (2 hours later) but its a little difficult to get in gear at times, but drives perfectly?

Have I damaged the clutch or did it just overheat?

 

Thanks

I think the clutch has just overheated.

 

Because your colleague deserves this, tell him your car's broken, and he owes you £600 for a new clutch and flywheel!

Thanks for you're reply ken. It drove me 30 miles today. Still hard to get in gear at times and slipped a few times when accelerating in 5th. I wonder if it's the clutch auto adjust taking time to catch up?

The clutch is hydraulic rather than cable and as such does not have a self adjuster external mechanism, it is all dealt with by the hydraulics and is accurately adjusted by that.

 

If you have already got the clutch to slip by the questionable method of your mate, then unless you treat it more gently for a dew days, it will just continue to slip as the resins in the lining come to the surface due to heat and cause slipping.

 

How far from the carpet roughly in inches does the pedal take up the drive?, Poor selection can be due to many things, a poor clutch is just one of those, there are the linkage ends that age and stretch on the cable ends at the box, there is also the chance the box oil itself may be due for change if your mileage is high, and also there is the possibility of air in the clutch due to either the fluid being due for service renewal, or a weeping slave cylinder.

 

Take it a bit easy for a day or two and then see what you are left with, the clutch can suffer heat fade in exactly the same way that brake pads can if pushed outside their working normal temperature range.

 

Hope it helps,

 

Phil.

Edited 5 January, 201610 yr by kentphil1

^What he said. Don't just assume its just one fault either, for the cost of a slave cylinder while the clutch is out... also the gear cable arrangement is possibly another reason for iffy gear changes..

 

 

If it slips uphill in 4th when you hit around 3000rpm (peak boost) under normal driving the friction plate is most likely worn out.. if you're careful you'll get a week out of it when it slips every time in 3rd... my dad is a dedicated professional stingy Yorkshireman and got 3 months from start of slipping to towed home by the AA before getting his hand in his pocket! 

Hi,

Yes it slips in 5th if I try going past 3000rpm and it's a pain getting in and out of reverse. It got me to and from work fine. Other than being a little difficult to get in gear occasionally.

The brakes were changed completely about a month ago. Not sure if that could have anything to do with it.

I haven't thought about the gearbox oil, the cars on 126k.

Thanks for the advice!

If it is starting to slip with the clutch fully home and you are accelerating, then that would suggest the clutch is not going to collect it's pension. Was it doing this before the in gear test or has it started since?.

 

Whichever is the answer, you would be wise to seek out a place of repair now while it still drives, because as has been said above, things go downhill very rapidly once you get slip in 3rd and 4th.

 

The only common area between the brakes and clutch is the fluid reservoir, so unless they changed the brake fluid and omitted to bleed the clutch through as well, I can't see much of an area that could be connected really. Even then, it should not put premature wear on the clutch in such a short space of time, probably more like all of the friction surfaces are wearing down due to old age coincidentally.

 

Hope it helps.

Hi mate, it's didn't really do this before to be honest. I did notice a increase in revs when accelerating and changing gear. But I putting down to me being so used to using diesels and not releasing it quick enough.

I reckon the clutch biting point is about 2inches above the floor. But seems to be close to the top as well.

How long do you reckon I've got? Could do with splitting the cost over two months.

Will this do?http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKODA-OCTAVIA-1-8T-DUAL-MASS-REPLACEMENT-FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH-KIT-TURBO-1999-2006-/400365387319

You could use this moment as an opportunity to fit a single mass kit if you wanted to, To be honest, if it wasn't doing it before, I would park in the wait and see camp for a few days and see if it improves. 126k is about right for average clutch wear, but many careful drivers can get many more miles from a clutch.

 

Do you know if the car has ever had a clutch replaced in the past?. Dual mass flywheels are a bit of a grey area for reliability depending on the driver style - some last 150k miles, others will fail at 35 -40k due to how they drive away from the line with their style.

 

When you use 5th gear to test at a standstill, you are applying a massive amount of turning effect through the clutch plate, without any real help from the gear ratio to lighten the load on the centre plate, so the end result is going to be heat - lots of it and slip. You can actually make a brand new clutch slip if you abuse it in the right conditions of heat.

 

Hopefully, as it wasn't doing it before it will settle back down on you, but just try to keep the torque down for a while. if it starts to "light up" more regular if you are being more careful, then you need to plan for a clutch.

 

Hopefully the new year will be kind to you.

 

Phil.

Edited 6 January, 201610 yr by kentphil1

Hi Phil I've no idea if it's been changed. It's on 122k actually, noticed today. It seems to be getting easier to get in gear but slips once boost kicks in.

I will go smf when it's changed. The link is one I was looking at.

Cheers

Are you going to do your own repair or get a garage to fit for you?,

It will have to be a garage unfortunately.

It will have to be a garage unfortunately.

changed my clutch after slipping in boost range , when to the g60 flywheel single mass clutch set up, best thing i ever did that dmf is soo heavy

I'm wondering if it would work out cheaper and better to get a g60 flywheel and the relevant clutch. Rather than buying a kit. I'm skint at the moment as it cost a fortune to get through the mot. Still recovering financially from that.

Hi, Sorry for the double post but does anyone know the part numbers for the G60 flywheel and vr6 clutch for my particular car.

AUQ engine? Done a search but cant find much.  

Send group1rs a PM, he should give you a bit of help and is a good bloke to talk to.

Thanks Phil, its seeming more and more likely the clutch and/or Flywheel are on their last legs.

You rang ?

G60/GTi flywheel 028105269BX

Flywheel bolts N90206103 x 6

Clutch bolts N10101001 x 6

021198141ax VR6 Clutch

That's what you need. Once fitted you will have a awesome light clutch also set the gear linkage correctly just search on here or YouTube how to do it. Hope that helps.

I did!

Thank you very much for your help!

I have ordered the drivetec kit off ebay. Id be surprised if the current clutch lasts till the end of this week. Read a couple of reviews and they seem OK. 3 year warranty and I doubt I'll have the car that long. Pretty desperate with it being my daily driver.