I've never really liked Diesel cars so it doesn't bother me , but if or when Diesel scrappage come in , do you thing the £3500 for your diesel car will be enough ??

Edited 24 February, 20179 yr by SlushBox

Sorry what do you mean,

is it that Mk2 Fabia diesels will be included in the scrappage scheme and people might be able to get £3,500 cash money to scrap them, 

or against a trade in or something?

 

Which would these be, pre Face Lift?

 

all diesels , all makes  & models   allowance UP TO  £ 3,500 . Some more modren Euro Compliant  models may escape .

Where is this coming from, has Philip Hammond MP made some announcement?

Nope, they are just "thinking about it" but that translates into the Daily Mail and Daily Express making widely off the mark claims about a scrappage scheme!

I bought some lycra underpants once because I hard they were good for you, better support, but all i got was sweaty crack and nuts.  Do you think someone will buy them back so I can get some nice cotton CKs?

If they'd give me £3500 for either of mine against a new Dacia, I'd do it tbh. 

Surely if there is a Diesel Scrappage Scheme coming in the UK, they are not going to be allowing any money or voucher to be used to buy Euro 6 Emission vehicles 

Diesel or Petrol before the UK Government have Tested Vehicles so that the Real World emissions can be confirmed as the vehicles drive at full revenue weight.

 

A pointless exercise like the last scrappage scheme if they are not certain of real world NoX and Co2. 

last time people used money to trade up to the VW Group Euro 5 emissionsTDI's and other polluters that were all EU Tested & Approved. 

 

Vouchers should be available for additional discounts on EV's over and above the grants, and for some customising to the City Cars.

 

Edited 25 February, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

Just come back from Madrid where most taxis are diesels with a sprinkling of Prius's plus the regular buses. But far more obviously obnoxious to us was all the smokers smoking away at the kerb side cafes! 

 

Diesel is alive and well in Spain's capital. 

 

And no I wouldn't scrap a decent car for £3500 unless of course it was worth £3000. 

Failing Grayling might have been dropping a hint about changes in taxation for diesels in future.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/feb/25/chris-grayling-advises-motorists-to-think-hard-before-buying-diesel-cars-london-pollution-sadiq-khan

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see penalties for non-Euro 6 diesels, and an incentive to take older cars off the road.
If it included Euro 4 cars then that would mean anything ten years old by the time it was likely to be introduced. That's *after* VED rates were changed to reward diesels with low CO2 emissions.

Some of the papers are speculating about how much extra discount you might get and are talking about £3.5k. This could be a total work of fantasy on their part or might be based on leaks, so if you have a spare parking spot, it could be worth buying an old diesel with a long MOT and SORNing it.

^^^ 

Maybe, but last time 'The Registered keeper had to have had the vehicle registered to them for at least 12 months.'

Have a Current MOT and VED, so you can have that if you think that is worth doing. 

Then you need to be wanting to be buying a car.

 

Maybe they should give money to those that choose to surrender their driving licence and go off the road for ever and a day.

Interest Free Loans to those Buying a new vehicle, (& keeping it for 5/6 years, Pay interest on some of it if you sell early), EV's with Discount Grants,  nothing to those leasing. 

The debt should be with the Government / Bank of England not the 'Pyramid Banking system and the car manufacturers'.

Edited 26 February, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

If you've space buy a £500 diesel in MOTable shape and store it.

 

If the scappage scheme is announce you've got £3000 extra deposit if it doesn't well you've only lost £500 minus what you can sell/scrap it for.

 

If you wait until it's announce no diesel will be worth less then £3500

I am giving serious consideration to getting a used Kia Soul EV.

(even the one sitting locally from AC lol)

 

But i will hold off and see just what if any there is with Scrappage Schemes & getting a new one,

because i have a high VED 2003 Petrol Automatic that needed welding for the last MOT and might just go and meet its maker if the price is right.

Word is it'll be up to £5,000 and will be calculated on where you live and which EV you're buying to replace the diesel demon.

So if you're city centre and getting a fancy EV, then you get the maximum, for example... Buying a petrol car might get you £100.

This will be money off the new purchase only, of course. No actual cash or anything that might enable you to make a profit.

8 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

Word is it'll be up to £5,000 and will be calculated on where you live and which EV you're buying to replace the diesel demon.

So if you're city centre and getting a fancy EV, then you get the maximum, for example... Buying a petrol car might get you £100.

This will be money off the new purchase only, of course. No actual cash or anything that might enable you to make a profit.

 

 

Much more likely to be the way it will work, with the full discount for those changing to electric.

 

Having given a tax break (lower road fund for low CO2), hardly likely to subsidise those that had a tax break,  the tax rules may be full of silly clauses but giving a grant for receiving a tax break would be new level of stupidity.

Where someone lives or gives as their residence, pays council tax, or is on the voters roll or even where they register a vehicle has nothing to do with where they might actually drive a vehicle or keep it.

Then people may have more than one vehicle which they use and might not have registered at the same address.

 

The UK Government paid millions to those through the last scrappage scheme and this resulted in thousands of high polluting vehicles going on the roads.

This time surely low emissions vehicles replacing high polluting ones should be the result and not just paying out more money from the treasury that came in as taxes from 'Hard working families and individuals' that maybe can not even afford a car.

1 hour ago, Awayoffski said:

Where someone lives or gives as their residence, pays council tax, or is on the voters roll or even where they register a vehicle has nothing to do with where they might actually drive a vehicle or keep it.

Then people may have more than one vehicle which they use and might not have registered at the same address.

 

This whole thing is being driven by unacceptably high pollution in cities and towns.

It has everything to do with where you live and park, since city folk will be driving about slowly in heavy town traffic, shopping, commuting and then parking up there every night. Those who live out in the sticks will be fewer and at least part-traveling on less congested country roads, meaning less pollution in the cities.

 

Where else they might drive is then covered by the second part, being how the amount of discount is defined by what you buy as a replacement - Another diesel likely gets you nothing, a petrol gets you a little and a nice green EV gets you a lot.

 

Doesn't matter if you have one or fifty diesels, all registered to different addresses. They only care about getting their pollution scores down and those are measured in the city centres. That's why metro-urbanites are getting the highest incentives to go EV.

 

 

 

 

We will see if metro-urbanities do get offered the highest incentives when the budget comes, but then they are the ones already having money spent to allow them to have public transport, and a very much more spent on infrastructure where metro-urbanites are staying than those in rural areas get.

 

Currently in Scotland where the country has 5.5 million or so of a population you can get 6 years interest free credit to purchase an EV passenger car, 

free charger and free or low cost charging.  That is City, town and country dwellers, ie anyone really that does not already have an EV registered to them.

 

8.3 million in London and then the other Cities in England, Wales and Northern Ireland should at the least get that offer.

Then Business Users that do not need Big or Heavy vehicles because they need to tow or carry more than a few passengers should have tax benefits of running diesels and large vehicles taken away, and big hybrids are pretty much a joke as being any saving on polluting in cities unless there is some way that the 

petrol or diesel engine in known to to be getting used.

3 hours ago, Ttaskmaster said:

Word is it'll be up to £5,000 and will be calculated on where you live and which EV you're buying to replace the diesel demon.

So if you're city centre and getting a fancy EV, then you get the maximum, for example... Buying a petrol car might get you £100.

This will be money off the new purchase only, of course. No actual cash or anything that might enable you to make a profit.

I expect there will be an "up to £xxxx" scheme, where there's a smaller basic element, then an extra £xxxx for going pure EV and the latter is actually the existing electric subsidy.