My Skoda has a BKD engine.

Some have already stated they have extracted oil through the dipstick port on this engine without any problems!

The kit I have has a 5mm tube which fits in the port. Unfortunately I can never get it further than the approx the length of the dipstick and hence unsuccesful when it comes to extracting the oil.

The pump is fine. Does the 5mm probe that comes with the pela 6000 allow, because of its robustness, it to reach further than my ordinary 5mm plastic tubing?

Dont want to force the tubing and create further problems!!

Edited 26 February, 20179 yr by BiscuitBarrel

The pela6000 works on my bkd and tube goes right down to the bottom of the dip stick

I've and use a pela6000 once up to now. Got the engine to normal running temp, turned engine off, waited 10 minutes then unscrewed oil filter. ( The oil won't come out if the oil filter is not unscrewed to allow air in ) The tube went right to the bottom and I pumped about 10-15 times. As the oil came out I pumped a few more times to keep the pressure up. 

There was no problem with the tube going all the way in . When I pushed the tube up and down I could hear it knocking on the bottom of the sump. 

The tube doesn't have to go in far to reach the bottom. I don't know the actual length, but dip stick to sump bottom isn't that far. Some of the hard black area of tube will still be hanging out once it's inserted.  

Thanks for your replies!

Will take your help and suggestions on board. I know this is a divisive subject.

The oil cap and oil filter were removed when I tried!

Thank you again.

1 hour ago, mikeholroyd said:

Not something I like personally. There is no way that all the old oil can be removed this way. The manufacturers all provide a sump plug at the bottom of the engine to drain old oil out, using the best (and free) pump of all - gravity. You only need to drain the oil this way and leave the sump plug open afterwards to see old old coming out for ages after the bulk has been drained. This just isn't possible with the suction method. Also, the sump plug is magnetic, and will catch any metal particles that might be floating around, and the only way of removing these is to use a new plug after the oil is drained, again, not possible if you're not taking the plug out at all.

 

It isn't a difficult job to drain from the bottom - don't skimp = if the job's worth doing, it's worth doing properly.

 

Mike

 

I put off doing my own oil & filter changes for years, even though I had the tools.

 

Once I had purchased a decent Trolley Jack myself, and borrowed a neighbours also I decided it was time and surprised how easy it was to do, and glad to know it was definitely done, too. Without raising both sides it would not have been so easy though, but skilful use of a kerb one side can aide.

 

Difficult if they don't have decent Jacks or stands though.

I seem to remember hunting down a supplier of genuine replacement hose assemblies last time I searched, so that could be worth a try.

Alternatively, on the (old, larger diameter) one I have, the stiff far end of the tube assembly is just a bit of Bowden cable outer.  The thinner 5mm ones may be different, maybe someone with one can confirm?

5 hours ago, mikeholroyd said:

Not something I like personally. There is no way that all the old oil can be removed this way. The manufacturers all provide a sump plug at the bottom of the engine to drain old oil out, using the best (and free) pump of all - gravity. You only need to drain the oil this way and leave the sump plug open afterwards to see old oil coming out for ages after the bulk has been drained. This just isn't possible with the suction method. Also, the sump plug is magnetic, and will catch any metal particles that might be floating around, and the only way of removing these is to use a new plug after the oil is drained, again, not possible if you're not taking the plug out at all.

 

It isn't a difficult job to drain from the bottom - don't skimp = if the job's worth doing, it's worth doing properly.

 

Mike

 

Personally I think the suction method is great. It makes it so easy to change oil that the user is more inclined to change the oil more frequently. I can now do an oil change in 20 minutes from start to finish without having to grovel around on the floor, bothering with trolley jacks and axle stands, removing engine under tray etc etc. I only need one tool - to remove oil filter top.

 

Your hypothesis fails on a few grounds.

• Mostly unless you jack up all four wheels equally on very level ground/garage hoist then you cannot ensure that the drain plug is at the lowest point.
• The sump plug is magnetic - fine for parts of iron or steel that will be attracted to it but in reality they are the last parts to fail on a modern engine and get into the oil. Most likely to be white metal bearings and these are made from an alloy that is non magnetic. If there are any parts of metal in the oil what exactly are you going to do about it? Tell the garage? They wont be able to tell where it came from any more than you. Yes, you can get expensive analysis of the oil to get what metal the particles are but not from where.

The suction method has more advantages then those mentioned above. You can actually get more old oil out by draining the filter housing (diesel engines). This contains at least 300ml of oil if not more. Also the end of the tube, due to its inherent curvature, can be used to 'fish around' inside the sump to hoover up any last remaining drops of oil. The car will also be level and not unnaturally raised at the front. More likely hood of all oil being removed.  The waste oil is also now contained in a container that has a neat spout to transfer into whatever container you wish without spillage. It really is that easy it no longer becomes a job that is a hassle to do. Especially if you have two or more cars in the family and change oil 2x a year.

 

I'd never return to draining by sump now. It really has no advantages but many disadvantages.

 

Go get sucking. Buy a Pella :-)

 

 

Wise as Mike always is, the Pela 6000 does have it's uses. My car goes in for it's service every 10k miles, where an oil and filter change are part of each service. I supply the oil, filter and sump plug and they drain the oil from the bottom. However, being the super fussy devil I am, I also change the oil and filter in between services and that is when I now use the Pella to suck the oil out from the top. So much easier than when I used to get underneath the car to do the job. Mind you, when the car gets so old it's not worth keeping up service history, I will service it myself. Still just as often an oil and filter change, but one change get underneath and drain from the bottom, then mid service change, suck it out just for some easy convenience.

Yes trying to find pela spares was an option I pursued to get my hands on the probe!

No success.

Maybe I'm being a bit of a weed!!!!!

I have crawled under all my cars on many occasions for oil changes. As I get older the prospect doesn't thrill me and leads to procrastination and an unserviced car!!!

Yes I agree I should take it to a garage, but just have had a too many bad experiences.

If I do it I know what's done, what I damaged in the process!!!

Thanks again for all your comments.

I will persevere with what I got and if that fails buy a Pela 6000!

 

 

How much does a garage cost to change oil and filter? I'd hazard a guess of at least £65.00 +VAT? I've no idea as I always do my own.

 

Cost of Pela about £40. Cost of Oil £20 (ebay for VW 507). Decent filter £8. Total £68.00

 

No brainer. Plus every change from then on is around £30.00

 

I'm doing mine again this week with the Pela 6000. As said ^^^^ I "fished" the pipe around the bottom of the sump once the pump started slurping.  I measured 3.8 Lt and that poured straight into a 5 Lt old screen wash container. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-VOLKSWAGEN-5-LITRE-QUANTUM-PLATINUM-ENGINE-OIL-5W-40-ZGB115QLB00521-/262862061593?hash=item3d33ccc019:g:ElEAAOSwBLlU2JYA

 

Edited 27 February, 20179 yr by 2goat

12 hours ago, Golf-Fiend said:

How much does a garage cost to change oil and filter? I'd hazard a guess of at least £65.00 +VAT? I've no idea as I always do my own.

 

Cost of Pela about £40. Cost of Oil £20 (ebay for VW 507). Decent filter £8. Total £68.00

 

No brainer. Plus every change from then on is around £30.00

 

 

Just shy of £100inc the last one I paid for a few years ago.

 

As you say, doing it myself now, less than £30, and I know it's done.

Having suffered this personally, I'd be very cautious about unnecessary tapping of the bottom of the sump or stirring the extractor tip round enthusiastically in there.

If the car has been looked after from day one, no problem, go ahead.

If - on the other hand - it may have been neglected in terms of oil changes for a while at any point in its past, there may be sediment in the bottom of the sump. In my case it was a very thin compacted layer - plated on over most of the bottom surface -  maybe half a mm thick, of what I guess is basically carbon.  Before I started playing with the Pela, it was sitting there harmlessly, I presume.

 

Not long after using the Pela on the car for the first time (and tapping, stirring around cheerfully), one day, far from home, the oil pressure light came on.  When I got the sump off, it was apparent that in line with the dipstick tube, an area of the bottom of the sump had been disturbed, and flakes off this crud had come away.  Guess where they ended up? Yep, stuck in the oil pick-up gauze, blocking it.

 

This may be a very rare occurrence, the car in question was a fairly high-mileage ex-rep/fleet car; but that may well describe quite a few cars on here, so unless you know the inside of the sump is clean, go carefully in this respect.

 

I'm not anti-Pela, just aware of this possibility, so sharing.

OK this is my last one on this topic!!!

Having created a small war between the for pumps and against.

If I was younger I would probably side with the traditional sump plug brigade.

Interesting how age changes your perspective :0D

Just completed the job!!!!

It was so easy with the pump.

Mine was bought from eBay for £19 incl postage.

It is very similar to the Sealy and very robust.

My problem was in the end the tube diameter!!

First the internal diameter is 6mm not 5mm.

Second the external diameter is 8.5mm.

Just too big for the job!

I had some very strong PTFE tubing used on my water filter that was 6.5mm external, so by softening the end of the previous 6.0mm with heat inserted the water filter tube Voila!!

Hope this helps anyone with the same problems.

If you need to purchase the tubing just look up PTFE tubing on eBay as they sell it in almost any size you will need.

Thanks for the other stuff and on not being too vigorous with the probe. It all helps!

Edited 1 March, 20179 yr by BiscuitBarrel