Here or roadside ?Just heard that neighbour couple of doors down has had van broken into and tools thieved . Method of entry was interesting - Somehow entry was done using copy keyfob as no damage ,and no alarm . I've heard before of gangs targeting vehicles and copying key codes ,but this is possibly a new wave. Vehicle was a large Peugot van .

Put in here a as warning to the trades blokes on here.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/806889/Keyless-entry-car-keys-hack-theft-warning

 

I don't know any more than the article about this specific hack but it matches the description.

 

I do know remote car signals are being heavily researched by the bad guys and pretty much ignored by the manufacturers.

Edited 31 August, 20178 yr by Aspman

[Clicky] better article on Wired

 

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-models-open-unlocking-ignition-hack/

 

Much like the VAG one which VAG covered up for years rather than fix. they took the researchers to court and gagged them.

It would be down to a component supplier, I would have thought.

Continental perhaps.

10 hours ago, Ryeman said:

It would be down to a component supplier, I would have thought.

Continental perhaps.

 

Development will have been done by the 3rd party but it's up to manufacturer to set the specifications for the components they are buying.

 

You can mitigate by putting your keys in the microwave. Microwaves are Faraday cages.

1 minute ago, Aspman said:

 

Development will have been done by the 3rd party but it's up to manufacturer to set the specifications for the components they are buying.

 

You can mitigate by putting your keys in the microwave. Microwaves are Faraday cages.

I imagine component manufacturers compete against others by offering new features and ultimately the owners do the proving over years. Low lifes do their homework also.

Im just glad we don't need to lock our doors here.

This method only always you to open the doors of the vehicle. The second stage is to get the car started which they do using apps connected via the ODB socket. ODB locks are now becoming popular to prevent the theft of cars. Unfortunately technology in cars to make them more convenient also makes them easier to steal too.

The signal on the key is usually very short so keeping the keys upstairs and scanner will struggle to pick up the signal, pop them in a drawer too and the signal is reduced further. If the thieves are determined to take your car then having your keys upstairs and bringing them closer to where you sleep isn't ideal either.  

This one is against contactless keys.

 

By whatever means they open the car door then use an amplifier to convince the car that the key is in the car. then you drive car to secure location and clone a new key for it at your leisure.

 

The more high tech your car is the more holes to break into it. The motor industry is 10yr behind in recurs design. They should already have firewalls built into the CAN to separate core function form the ICE but there is nothing and they are only just starting to think about it.

 

If you're in an area where you think you might be at risk then good old wheel locks are probably going to be useful again.

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/95031/steering-wheel-locks-2016-group-test

Simple key fob, so possibly not radiating unless fob activated. police suggested that this is a gang using duplicate keys. I'd suggest one simple solution- the old fashioned key operated ,separate from vehicle alarm.

This will be effective for van owners as the only thing T leafs are interested in are drills and expensive tools.

However, one thing I should mention. There's no need for duplicate fobs. A HIAB remote will prevent any remote fob from activating a remote unit by swamping the signal.

Use your phone instead -

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/bosch/bosch-australia-invents-keyless-app/2017-08-29/65134.html

5 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Use your phone instead -

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/bosch/bosch-australia-invents-keyless-app/2017-08-29/65134.html

 

No more secure than the current keyless systems. Probably less secure as your phone is open to more connections and therefore more vulnerable than a fob. Also hate to be in the position of flat battery in the phone or for it to crash especially if far from home.

If you were going to use a phone it would be better to use something based upon the payment apps like ApplePay.

Those are subject to some pretty serious and ongoing security and monitoring.

I'd trust that before a random 3rd party app.

 

I think I might just do a Mr Bean -

 

 

It won't stop them but at least if they have to smash a window it'll be easier to prove to the insurance company that I did lock the car.

 

I'm sure any one who gets their car taken by one of these no-touch methods will have an uphill battle with their insurance company.

Easier option is just encourage your neighbours to have better cars than you in the hope that if the thieves are going to take anything it will be one of their cars 

On 9/6/2017 at 10:07, Aspman said:

If you were going to use a phone it would be better to use something based upon the payment apps like ApplePay.

Those are subject to some pretty serious and ongoing security and monitoring.

I'd trust that before a random 3rd party app.

 

I think I might just do a Mr Bean -

 

 

It won't stop them but at least if they have to smash a window it'll be easier to prove to the insurance company that I did lock the car.

 

I'm sure any one who gets their car taken by one of these no-touch methods will have an uphill battle with their insurance company.

Simpler (and a lot quieter) to drill out the rivet heads/ use a cutting disc on a cordless drill .

Way back in the days of ye olde Sierra, firm I worked for had problems with remote alarms and Ford locks . Solution was an internal monitor /alarm system armed by a key operated switch in the boot/ rear panel external surface.

I've never had problems as once upon a time I had two  cameras up -(folks around here still think I have it) - one covert and real, the other a bit of trunking with a telescope lens on the front and a flashing LED. Really comical to watch the reaction to the dummy camera.

I have to say I'm thinking about getting a dummy camera to put near the garage door. Dummy alarms and cameras are probably just as effective as the real thing for deterring crime. Juts not very good for detection.

29 minutes ago, Aspman said:

I have to say I'm thinking about getting a dummy camera to put near the garage door. Dummy alarms and cameras are probably just as effective as the real thing for deterring crime. Juts not very good for detection.

 

Don't think they are that bothered about cameras or not

 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/29/thieves-could-steal-your-car-by-holding-a-bag-up-to-your-front-door-6605444/

As I mentioned, dummy cameras are great for getting their attention away from covert cameras, but saying that ,I noticed a lot of hats/hoodies after I put my dummy up. And one thing was the amount of folk crossing the road in an attempt to get out of range. Still today- we get folks crossing the road instead of walking past my car.