Merry Xmas Guys! 

 

I've just broken down in my 61 plate superb estate greenline (1.6). The breakdown assistance guy plugged a diagnostic tool in and injector 3 has gone. 

 

I had the flashing glow plug light, engine light and loss of power/engine juddering etc. 

 

Is it common for one of the injectors to go? Is this normally an isolated problem or is it an indication of a bigger problem? I've seen a lot on the octavia threads about injectors being a problem.... 

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated or any idea of how much an injector replacement should be in a good indy. 

 

Thanks so much and happy boxing day! 

 

Jamie

Part of my experience here:

 

I've not finished the story in that post. In the end I had all four injectors replaced at 340 euros each plus labor. The first one failed because of a manufacturing defect, which was common with these injectors. They all have it, until the supplier was changed and the old stock ran out. The rest had to be changed because the old injectors didn't run like the new one did. Rebuilding the working three old injectors wasn't really an option, because the part that gets rebuilt is the mechanical portion (which is what wears). The electrical portion would fail whenever in the future anyway. You may find a specialist in the UK that sells remanufactured injectors for these engines at about 100 pounds each. You'd have to ask them whether the defect has been eliminated or not. Darkside Developments currently sells new injectors for 250 pounds each.

 

Some links you may find useful:

http://www.commonraildiesels.com/product_info.php/volkswagen-golf-tdi-reconditioned-siemens-diesel-injector-03l130277b-p-2810

https://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/new-siemens-vdo-common-rail-cr-injector-for-1-6-tdi-engines-03l-130-277-s-b.html

 

There is a slim chance Skoda will replace your injectors for free, but even if they do, you'll get their dieselgate fix, which you'll want unfixed. But injectors are more expensive than getting the fix undone, so that might be an option worth pursuing.

 

Hope my experience helps with your situation.

Hey TV, 

 

Thanks for the reply and the links! Very useful. 

 

I had the emission software update done about a month ago, could it have something to do with that you think? 

 

So the chances are I will have to replace all 4 injectors then... Just what I need a day after Christmas! 

 

Thanks, 

 

Jamie

Did the emissions software update do anything to the injectors? Not likely, they fail on their own with or without it. My car hasn't had the fix. VW knows said injectors should be replaced for free and some have managed to get them to, but others haven't with VW blaming bad fuel or whatever else they feel like saying that sounds remotely plausible.

@jww you can try to blame the "fix"  why not ? "Fix" changes a lot of things - nobody knows what exactly - but injection timing is different so it is possible that yours died prematurely. 

11 hours ago, TLV said:

Did the emissions software update do anything to the injectors? Not likely, they fail on their own with or without it. My car hasn't had the fix. VW knows said injectors should be replaced for free and some have managed to get them to, but others haven't with VW blaming bad fuel or whatever else they feel like saying that sounds remotely plausible.

 

http://www.skoda.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo/trust-building-measure/

 

Info here - for the UK anyway...

Thanks both for the info! 

 

I'm going to call the dealership that did the fix today to see what they can do. Part of the service history of the car is with indy garages so I'm assuming they are going to use that as an out. 

 

I'll update the thread later. 

 

Thanks again, 

 

Jamie 

"Fix" gives you extra 2 years warranty on some parts.

Push the dealer and push them hard.

 

The injectors are specifically listed as falling under Skoda UK's 'trust building measure' (as linked earlier), put in place specifically to cover 'emissions-fix' related failures...

 

"The Trust Building Measure covers a total of 11 components within the exhaust gas recirculation system, the fuel injection system and the emissions after treatment system: lambda probe, temperature sensor, EGR changeover valve, exhaust gas recirculation valve, exhaust gas recirculation pressure differential sensor, injector, high pressure pump, fuel rail, pressure control valve, pressure sensor, high pressure pipelines."

 

The policy wording also makes it clear that servicing outside of Skoda's franchised network is acceptable as long as you can prove genuine parts have been used.

 

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by silver1011

On 26/12/2017 at 16:55, jww said:

Hey TV, 

 

Thanks for the reply and the links! Very useful. 

 

I had the emission software update done about a month ago, could it have something to do with that you think? 

 

So the chances are I will have to replace all 4 injectors then... Just what I need a day after Christmas! 

 

Thanks, 

 

Jamie

You had the emissions fix done ! I'd be very surprised if it was not fixed foc just tell them it was fine until the fix now it's broke. Good luck I personally did not get the fix done, all I hear is cars breaking down since the fix is done a couple of them were injector issues that were fixed  foc ! Mostly egrs break after the fix !

 

*update*

 

Phoned Vindis Cambridge twice today. Still waiting for their maintenance team to call me back to book the car in for a diagnostic... 

 

Had a new injector fitted at a good indy for £330. Hoping skoda will reimburse and/or fit 3 new injectors. 

 

Anyone asked Skoda to undo the "fix"? 

 

Think I will... 

2 hours ago, jww said:

Anyone asked Skoda to undo the "fix"? 

 

Think I will... 

 

People have asked. They won't undo it.

These guys will reverse the fix for around £120...

 

http://www.sharkperformance.co.uk/

 

If the car is intended to be a 'keeper' then it will be money well spent.

 

 

On 12/28/2017 at 18:51, jww said:

Had a new injector fitted at a good indy for £330. Hoping skoda will reimburse and/or fit 3 new injectors.

I imagine you'll have issues if you go outside of Skoda.

If you've had servicing outside of VAG, then you'll need to prove its been to the same standard.

 

This can be ascertained by showing manufacturers part numbers for non VAG parts that are manufactured to the same standard as OEM.

Sometimes easy, sometimes not. Depends who makes the OEM filter and which one was fitted during the 'INDY' service...

 

EG - If MANN or CROSSLAND filters make the original Skoda part - And you have an invoice showing a MANN or CROSSLAND filter was fitted during your INDY service (including part number) then it should be OK...

*Update*

 

Car going into Vindis Cambridge on Friday so will let you all know what they say.

 

Thanks all for the great support on this group!

 

Jamie

My 2.0 CR170 has suffered problems with the injectors from 60K

in cold weather below 10 degrees the car was awful to drive, no power, etc ...

sub zero the car would stutter violently.

My main dealer suggested a fuel filter change, and premium fuel, but the problem persisted, out of desperation I had a Terraclean, hey presto car back to normal.

This happened again recently so I asked the Terraclean tech to check the injector deviation values, he confirmed there were 2 abnormal readings.

The injector cycle is very complicated in modern diesels and the reduction of sulphur in fuels seems to be causing premature failure of injectors, do you always use a premium fuel or fuelsave?

 

*Update*

 

Vindis washed their hands almost immediately and asked me to contact Skoda Customer Services.

 

I did this and had a bit of an email/phone exchange for the last 3 weeks. I got a letter through yesterday saying that even though the update was "absolutely not to blame" for the injector failing they would nevertheless give me a full refund for the cost the replacement at the indy garage.

 

This is without any checks other than scans i sent in via email of the service history, bill from the garage and the registration document. The service history is part indy/part dealer and there's no breakdown of type or manufacturer of part used at all.

 

My takeaway from this is that if you try hard enough and stick to your guns they will back down because the update is at fault.

 

Hope this helps someone else who ends up in my position. It'd be interesting to know if this is a blanket policy or if it depends on how hard you push....

 

Thanks,

 

Jamie