are you sure the ecu is aware your towing?

 

sounds like the car is trying to compensate for the extra load by slipping the clutch a bit remember these are auto clutch manuals not automatics so the drive is like a standard gearbox if the ecu senses a stall it will slip or disengage the clutch to recover revs just like you would with a manual.

I've no idea if the ecu has been tweaked when the towbar was fitted - before my time. The car codes show it was not delivered with the towbar prep. Just wondering if I should give the magic 'turn ign on, foot to the floor for 30 secs' reset a go? 

maybe you should just call into skoda and get them to check it after all a new or rebuilt box costs far more than them doing that

Update...I did a Vcds basic settings on the dsg and the changes did seem a little smoother, although I had not thought them particularly bad. The slip was still there afterwards.

I read a few comments that a low dsg oil level had caused similar symptoms so decided to check that.

I pulled out the air box, battery and battery tray to get at the filter and added 1 litre of correct spec oil through the housing..slowly..

put it all back together, turned on the motor and plugged in Vcds to monitor oil temperature. When at 36 degrees, left the motor running and pulled the drain plug expecting (half hoping) to get out less than 1 litre. In fact by the time it was reduced to drop, drop, drop and I replaced the plug I had 1.5 litres...

 Overfilled?

Anyway, took it for a one hour test drive and could not get any slip. This morning hooked up the caravan and drove around up hills, junctions etc for nearly one and half hours and no slip....

Happy, but wondering could just 500ml overfill really be causing slip?

 

I had to replace a relay (?) In the front of the engine bay ( fixed at the very front)  as I noticed a terminal had broken - the one to the battery. Fitted that before the test drives....could that have been the problem? I have no idea what it does.

 

I will just drive and monitor...fingers crossed.

 

Fats

 

17 minutes ago, fatscoleymo said:

Happy, but wondering could just 500ml overfill really be causing slip?

 

5.5 liters have to be in the DSG ... you probably had 6 liters ... that's roughly 9% more ... people have been losing the elections because of the lower percentage of non-voters that that number ...

My problems recently post remap started out similar (jerking when changing gears, mostly 2nd and 3rd) until one fine morning I floored the accelerator on an empty stretch, let go off the throttle and the car started vibrating at idle and below 2500 rpm (blew the stock coils presumably). I would definitely check with VCDS for misfires, since yours being  a diesel perhaps the glow plug or injectors are suspect.

Lightbringer,  do you have a different DSG from those being discussed as in a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch?

VCDS shows only these two faults, the glow plug date is 2nd May - vehicle was stationary.

The intermittent relay.....is this the one I replaced?

 

 

2 Faults Found:
4985 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
          P0672 00 [109] - Electrical Fault
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 51465 km
                    Date: 2018.05.02
                    Time: 09:24:00

                    Engine speed: 972.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 53.3 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 7 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 7 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.060 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 2
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 20
                    Electric auxiliary heater: relay activation-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Preheat time: 1400 ms
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 176
                    Time since ignition off: 83610 s
                    Outside air temperature: 17.5 °C

4629 - ECM Power Relay Load Circuit 
          P068A 00 [032] - Opens Too Early
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

 

Fats
 

To me, the thing that is a little dodgy is the terminal 30 voltage of 11V... Kinda low IMO.

DSG needs a good battery to run the internal electric pump for oil.

 

Check it out to be sure.

2 hours ago, Offski said:

Lightbringer,  do you have a different DSG from those being discussed as in a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch?

 

From his other topic:

 

12 hours ago, Lightbringer said:

Post Stage 1 ECU/DSG remap and 150 km, my 2010 MkII Superb 1.8 TSI DSG is running very rough

 

I doubt VAG had 7-speeds 8 years ago

2 hours ago, Offski said:

Lightbringer,  do you have a different DSG from those being discussed as in a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch?

 

7 minutes ago, vborovic said:

 

From his other topic:

 

 

I doubt VAG had 7-speeds 8 years ago

I have the unfortunate DQ200 7 speed dry clutch DSG. Had already replaced the mechatronics unit 2 years ago out of warranty (3200 EUR total ). Vehicle is 2010 model. Fats has the more reliable DQ250 wet clutch since its a diesel, I don't think it needs a clutch/mechatronics replacement at 33K.

 

33 minutes ago, fatscoleymo said:

VCDS shows only these two faults, the glow plug date is 2nd May - vehicle was stationary.

The intermittent relay.....is this the one I replaced?

 

 

2 Faults Found:
4985 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
          P0672 00 [109] - Electrical Fault
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 51465 km
                    Date: 2018.05.02
                    Time: 09:24:00

                    Engine speed: 972.50 /min
                    Normed load value: 53.3 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 7 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 7 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.060 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 2
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 20
                    Electric auxiliary heater: relay activation-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Preheat time: 1400 ms
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 176
                    Time since ignition off: 83610 s
                    Outside air temperature: 17.5 °C

4629 - ECM Power Relay Load Circuit 
          P068A 00 [032] - Opens Too Early
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

 

Fats
 

Yep, there's your problem. Either the battery voltage is too low or the glow plug is faulty. I would fix it first before troubleshooting the DSG. 6 speed DSG is generally more reliable.

5 minutes ago, Lightbringer said:

I have the unfortunate DQ200 7 speed dry clutch DSG.

 

Interesting, I've missed 2-3 years of development. But, regarding your other topic, the DQ200 is not intended for use on > 250 Nm cars.

 

wiki: "At the start of 2008, another world-first^[5] 70 kg (150 lb) seven-speed DSG transaxle^[5] (Volkswagen Group internal code: DQ200, parts code prefix: 0AM)^[7][8][9] became available. It differs from the six-speed DSG, in that it uses two single-plate dry clutches (of similar diameter).^[9] This clutch pack was designed by LuK Clutch Systems, Gmbh.^[10] This seven-speed DSG is used in smaller front-wheel-drive cars with smaller-displacement engines with lower torque outputs,^[5][6][9] such as the latest Volkswagen Golf,^[5][9] Volkswagen Polo Mk5,^[9] and the new SEAT Ibiza.^[6] It has been paired to engines with up to 250 N⋅m (180 lb⋅ft).^[11] It has considerably less oil capacity than the six-speed DQ250; this new DQ200 uses just 1.7 litres (0.37 imp gal; 0.45 US gal) of transmission fluid.^[5] In September 2010, VW launched a new seven-speed DSG built to support up to 600 N⋅m (440 lb⋅ft), the DQ500. ^[12]"

Edited 27 September, 20187 yr by vborovic

16 minutes ago, vborovic said:

 

Interesting, I've missed 2-3 years of development. But, regarding your other topic, the DQ200 is not intended for use on > 250 Nm cars.

 

I've been holding off  remap due to that 250 Nm limit but my stock car's DSG crapped out at 25K km. So I thought what the heck, its going to go when its going to go, might as well enjoy the car a little better in the meantime.

I have had CAVE engine 1.4 TSI Twinchargers Stage 1 & Stage 2 with 210 - 220 + BHP so running up above 300Nm with standard DQ200's.

Others have as well.

 

The the 2015 VW Polo GTI 1.8TSI 192 PS where supposedly limited to 250Nm with the DSG and 320 Nm with the Manual,

Anyone that put the ones with the DSG on a dyno will know they produced more than 250Nm on 99 octaine or 100+.

 

This is the later CTHE engine, 180ps minimum.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/357839-fabia-vrs-estate-rolling-road-run

 

Same car & standard going off the line.

 

 

Edited 27 September, 20187 yr by Offski

Thanks everyone, 

 

Funnily enough I checked the battery voltage yesterday - reading just over 12 volts in the morning after no use for 24 hrs. Thought it was maybe a little low.

 

I'll get a new battery and see how things go.

 

Any idea's what the relay(?) was I had to replace because of a broken terminal? It is situated right at the front top of the engine bay. Could that be the intermittent fault?

 

Fats

Edited 27 September, 20187 yr by fatscoleymo

Ok - new Varta E 44 battery fitted.

Car ran fine today on a 1 hour trip out, then stopped 2 hours, then 1 hour back home. No issues whatsoever.

I ran a scan this afternoon ( I cleared out the 2 previous DTC's yesterday):

Address 01: Engine (J623-CFFB)       Labels:. 03L-906-018-CFF.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 018 JC    HW: 03L 906 018 BR
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC   H24 7129  
   Revision: 42H24---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 001D0012040500080000
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018JC 003001
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018JC.rod
   VCID: 74B1DFBD5E3F2B978AD-8020

1 Fault Found:
4985 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
          P0672 00 [101] - Electrical Fault
          Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 56327 km
                    Date: 2018.10.03
                    Time: 08:43:17

                    Engine speed: 857.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 39.6 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 16 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 15 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 1020 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.840 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 2
                    Electric auxiliary heater: relay activation-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Preheat time: 800 ms
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Time since ignition off: 52996 s
                    Outside air temperature: 15.5 °C

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
 

Intermittent relay problem not showing,

 

Suspect voltage now at 11.840 (previous scan 11.060) …. so new battery solved that?

 

Should I just get no2 glow plug checked out?

Thanks, Fats