Hi guys.

 

Hope all is well?

 

Just a quick question as I'm pretty new to all this...

 

I have just bought a 1.6tdi Monte Carlo 2011. 

 

I have however become recently aware that this has a dpf filter.

 

My question is, do I need to add fluid somewhere or does it solely rely on heat generated to burn off the excess soot etc. 

 

I'm aware I can buy fuel additives to aid and assist with the clearing process and the majority of my driving is motorway mileage (approx 60 miles a day) to and from work 5 days a week so I'm hoping that's a good distance to generate enough heat.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

 

I'm aware that there is many discussions and "problems" arising from this issue so apologies if I'm repeating old questions or posting this in the wrong place.

 

Look forward to hearing from you all. 

 

Harley

Welcome.

 

Best leave well alone and just drive if all is well.

The car does not have SCR / An ad-blue system.

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Do you know if the car was into a Main Dealership and had the 'VW Emissions Fix'.    An Engine Management Update and a plastic flow device in the air intake?

If so check when as it has a kind of 24 month warranty / trust building measure from the W Group, you want to know how long you have this for.

Them paying if it causes some issues with how the car performs, hardware failures.

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo 

 

If outstanding i would leave it that way, be sure no Main Dealership employees talk you into getting it, or just do it anyway if the car is in for any reason.

Edited 26 May, 20188 yr by Offski

Hi!

 

Thankyou for replying. 

 

Glad it doesn't have an additional reservoir.

 

No, to my knowledge I don't believe it's had this but I will check the paperwork out. 

 

Was this one of the models which was recalled then?

 

H

One of the ones for VW's recall, not required to have it done.

 

The VIN checker should show if still outstanding. 

Check next the the Build Sticker in the spare tyre well to see if a sticker showing the 'Service Campaign' as done and when.

Will do!! Thankyou very much!

Before I bought my 1.6TDi Roomster I asked a colleague who had a 1.6TDi Yeti if she had any problems with the DPF.  Her response?  "WHat's a DPF?".

Says it all really!

50,000 miles and 5yrs later I don't even think about the DPF.  I can tell when it is regenerating (about every 300miles) by increased tickover at 1000rpm, a slight change in engine note and when standing in traffic a very faint odour like the smell of burning aviation fuel you get around airports.

Just drive it and forget it!

 

Oh... and don't get the emissions fix done!!!!

Sounds good!! :-) thanks for all your advice. I'm loving it so far! It's so lovely to drive :-)

Your car (EA189) is before SCR was developed on VAG cars, and its only the larger EA288 models that use it.  60 miles on the motorway is perfectly fine for the dpf.

 

Your car probably wont generate enough heat to do a passive regeneration, so it will be performing an active one where it injects fuel into DPF, it takes about 30miles to complete.  DPFs tend to only have issues on short journeys where they cannot regenerate.  Active regenerations cause oil/fuel contamination.

 

Recommendations from the EA189 diesel gurus on these engines are: 

 

do not go with longlife service

change oil and filter every 7000miles due to fuel/oil contamination

use either premium diesel or an additive to help keep the EGR mechanism from gumming up

 

 

As Offski has said, please check to see if your car has had the emissions fix as the DPF will be the least of your worries - EGR, injectors, turbo charger... they will all have accelerated wear and increased failure.

 

Check here with your VIN http://skoda-recallactions.skoda-auto.com/en-gb?cd=0   if it has been fixed, then go to facebook and join the "EA189 Emission Fix Reversal Assistance Forum" and get it rolled back by one of the recommended tuners ASAP.

 

If you want to monitor your cars DPF, EGR and regen behaviour and you have an android phone, then I would highly recommend downloading VAG DPF, you can connect it to your car with a Carista which are £15.  I bought an android phone specifically for it, gives much better piece of mind as to what your car is up to and the Carista helps with diagnosis (you can also program your car to a certain extent).

 

Absolutely do not let your car be updated by Skoda.

 

 

ps, the sales person was supposed to advise you that the car had a diesel particulate filter.

 

 

Edited 31 May, 20188 yr by globalste

Ok, update. 

 

It has been updated by skoda before I bought it.

 

I have joined the Facebook group  (request pending) but out of info, do you know how much it is (roughly) to have this fixed reversed?

 

What has this fix done to the car? 

 

Your help is much appreciated.

 

H

You do not only have new engine management on the ECU, there is a flow device fitted to the air intake on a 1.6TDI CR.

 

 

Edited 4 June, 20188 yr by Offski

Ok.

 

I'm getting there slowly.

 

Has anyone here had this roll back carried out on the Monte Carlo?

 

What are the effects of not having it rolled back. I.e. what has this fix done to my car? 

 

Will it die?

While I don’t know the number of people who completed a rollback, there are now over 700 people who have joined the rollback forum, there are at least 3 requests every day for a local expert to do the work.

 

it will cost you between £80-150 to have it done, takes about an hour including removal of the pencil holder.

 

The list of damage to the car is fairly lengthy and technical but in short, your car after the fix now produces less power below 2000rpm so you put your foot down more.  Your car produces way more soot (I forget the figure but it’s something like 6x) so your car regenerates 2-3x more often.  The extra soot and regens have the EGR work harder so EGR failures are far more common, so much so that VW have a backlog on order and they have produced quite a few files to cycle the EGR in different ways to reduce the failure rate, which produces more soot.

 

during an active regeneration the fuel leaks into your sump when you turn the engine off, this dilutes the oil and wrecks the turbo seals and the piston rings, it also trashes DPF sensors.

 

be sure to get an oil and filter change done ASAP, particularly if your dipstick shows the oil is very full.  There are numerous documents on the Facebook page to help and understand.

 

for ref, I had mine rolled back and the difference was staggering, I’d go as far to say criminal.   Volkswagen et al. deny any of these problems exist.

******s...

Most people can’t decide between running the 2yr TBM ‘warranty’ it’s course or having a rollback.  In reality, any problem you have following a rollback was a certainty to happen with the fix file and in a much shorter space of time.  The longer the car runs with a fix file the greater the certainty of a problem arising.  There are a list of parts covered under TBM, I think it’s 14 items which include:

 

EGR

DPF

injectors

turbo

 

My thought with TBM was that it was a lot of stress and time to get something fixed under ‘goodwill’ which shouldn’t be faulty in the first place.  I couldn’t afford to be stranded at the side of the motorway going to work at 4am with a DPF sensor failure or an EGR stuck open etc.  I’ve done 10k miles since rollback, I change the oil and filter every 5k with a dose of AR6400 and I use AR6900 every tank, hopefully I remain problem free.

I agree. This frustrates me no end!!

 

Have posted in the Facebook page.

 

A friend has recommended that I use jkm in copnor  (I'm in gosport).

If you’re in gosport then I would definitely recommend the same guy that did mine and many others, hes very reasonably priced and really knowledgable.  The slight risk with going to someone not on the list is that they may just do some sort of remap, which won’t work.  Also, the tuner needs to have a decent database of files to rollback to, so the more the recommended tuners do, the bigger their database grows.  Finally, if your car was fixed in the last couple of months it’s highly likely it has a lock on the file which is designed to prevent rollbacks, most of the tuners on the forum can work with this.

 

all garages with original VAG diagnostic equipment have now been banned from doing this.  It’s a disgrace, if they spent more time and effort into actually fixing the problems rather than trying to cover their tracks they would have much happier EA189 customers!

On 04/06/2018 at 20:22, Offski said:

You do not only have new engine management on the ECU, there is a flow device fitted to the air intake on a 1.6TDI CR.

 

 

apparently that flow device it's an upgrade. I spoke to an audi technician and he said that the MAF will read better. Doesn't really restrict much airflow as the holes are big but it's to do with reducing turbulence and better readings. I have removed my one and re-installed it. No difference.I left it in just in case my car brakes down again and it needs to go back to Skoda. Any reason for them will be a good one not to fix your car (FOC)

Those with a 'roll back' or remap are not getting anything fixed free of charge anyway.    Was the Audi tech speaking as a friend or as an employee of the VW group.   Or just an interested party with no personal benefit from supporting the tat VW group turned out to satisfy German Authorities testing inside in controlled environments?

Im from chichester and heard good things from JKM! Hope you can get it rolled back easily  Also pop onto the Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo Owners page on facebook!

1 hour ago, Bertie90 said:

apparently that flow device it's an upgrade. I spoke to an audi technician and he said that the MAF will read better. Doesn't really restrict much airflow as the holes are big but it's to do with reducing turbulence and better readings. I have removed my one and re-installed it. No difference.I left it in just in case my car brakes down again and it needs to go back to Skoda. Any reason for them will be a good one not to fix your car (FOC)

You will get an EML after about 20mins if you remove the pencil holder and leave it removed.  I can’t remember the code.  Happens much faster if you leave it in following a rollback.

41 minutes ago, Offski said:

Those with a 'roll back' or remap are not getting anything fixed free of charge anyway.    

This is incorrect, there are several people who have had TBM work done after a rollback.

 

When you call the emissions hotline they authorise the technical measures work by a dealership based on your VIN having the fix done within the last 2 years and mileage less than 120k.  It’s then up to the dealership to notice and raise their hand to head office and say the software version is 9978 or higher, which by doing so the dealership may lose the expensive warranty work, but even then who do they point the finger at?  It’s not modified, it’s an original file.  

 

A remap on 2014+ audi and VW (unsure about Skoda and Seat) triggers a TD1 code which is seen when a full scan is done by the dealership, this TD1 code prevents the dealerships computer from any warranty authorisations, but this is different to TBM.

Jkm wouldn't do it. Understandable once they gave me their reasons.

 

Roll back booked for tomorrow lunchtime after recommendation from the Facebook page you pointed me to.

 

Keep you all posted. Cheers guys 

Roll back completed today. Feels better in the lower revs pulling away. Hopefully see more benefits tomorrow on the motorway. 

 

If anyone in the south wants to know who did it, let me know