9 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I'd try to persuade your wife.....

 

I'd very much like to introduce you Amanda.  After 33 years together, my powers of persuasion extend to trying to guess the right answer with the least number of attempts 

 

They're in the running, not finalists by any means, and I do take your point about Ultra Premium HDR.

 

Out settee is squarish on to the telly, but 'my' comfy chair is at about 45 degrees off.  Something I'd not really thought about.

 

Sally (Wifey) was reckoning to sticking with a 32". 'til she realised that was the size of the one in our Daughter's bedroom, which she thought was much smaller.  Hence 43" getting the seal of approval 

 

I'm working next weekend and doubt much'll happen 'til after that.  If I feel maverick enough, I could just get a 49" one and make it a fait accomplis 

 

Gaz

You should try to show her the dimensions of a 49" tv, as there is effectively no bezel and the speakers aren't stuck on the side the tellys are practically no wider than a 32" CRT and with the depth being measured in just a few inches you really can mount the telly much nearer the wall. It would almost certainly take up less room and I'd argue as you are getting older (aren't we all) then a big bright pictures helps  

4 minutes ago, V6TDI said:

 

 

They're in the running, not finalists by any means, and I do take your point about Ultra Premium HDR.

 

Out settee is squarish on to the telly, but 'my' comfy chair is at about 45 degrees off.  Something I'd not really thought about.

 

Sally (Wifey) was reckoning to sticking with a 32". 'til she realised that was the size of the one in our Daughter's bedroom, which she thought was much smaller.  Hence 43" getting the seal of approval 

 

I'm working next weekend and doubt much'll happen 'til after that.  If I feel maverick enough, I could just get a 49" one and make it a fait accomplis 

 

Gaz

 

Defo check out the off axis picture quality then (the comfy chair is always none negotiable in it's special position) The sad thing is you probably get better value for money with 49"-55" tvs as they are most popular and the technology is shared between them generally. 

 

17 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

There is a quantum dot Samsung.....

 

https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-qe49q7f-qled-hdr-1500-4k-ultra-hd-smart-tv-49-inch-with-tvplus-freesat-hd-360-design-ultra-hd-premium-certified-silver/p3177348

 

Hmmmm....... ??

 

G

I saw that one on Richer Sounds with an included 6 year guarantee, but it is reportedly poor at acute angles, so your comfy chair position might make it a none starter :( You would have to check it out in person. It will be superb head on though I bet

  

What HiFi seem picky about it, but give it a 5 star review. It also has a remote box to plug all your cables into, meaning that you only have one thing cable going to your telly. Neat  

 

Just check out those viewing angles....take your chair in and demand tea and biscuits for a full evaluation  

Crikey the screen is rated at 1,500 nits. Thats eye searing bright! 

Actually I should have asked, are you intending to get Netflix/Amazon Prime/Sky etc? coz if not, then probably only the BBC's iPlayer will interest you and there isn't much on it yet in UHD (they did have Blue Planet II up for a month in 4k HLG and it look glorious), but not a good reason to splurge out hundreds more than you need to. 

Netflix, yes.  No to the rest.

 

Do I take it that HDR10 and Ultra Premium HDR are not the same?

 

We did go to Curry's with Sally's tape measure, so did get a reasonable grasp of actual sizes.  55" is too big, even for me, which I'm surprised to admit.

 

All quite exciting really as I'd been on about getting a new telly years ago, but have been sent back into my corner..... until now!

 

Gaz

1 minute ago, Lady Elanore said:

What HiFi seem picky about it, but give it a 5 star review. It also has a remote box to plug all your cables into, meaning that you only have one thing cable going to your telly. Neat

I'm currently looking for a new TV at the moment and that particular 'feature' actually ruled one of the contenders out for me as the extra box would just get in the way as I wasn't going to wall mount it (where it would be a plus point).

 

One thing I've just realised is that only some Samsung and Panasonic TV's are Ultra UHD Premium certified but the current cream of the crop Sony AF8 & LG C8 models don't have this. Is it something that just pertains to LCD or LED and not OLED?

 

HDR10 is one of the HDR formats. There are also HDR10+ and DOLBY Vision, which are a bit more sophisticated as well as HLG which is the one that regular broadcasters such as the BBC and some of the other Freeview broadcaster like (the HDR signal can be sent with a normal picture signal and could even work, in theory, with normal 1080P HD pictures)

 

There are 2 things to look at really. 4K which is the number of pixels - a lot! around 4 times as many as regular HD telly. Imho this makes a difference, but not a huge one and on a 43"tv you might not even noticed the difference over regular HD tv. 

 

Then there is High Dynamic Range, which should have been straight forward, but now is involved in a format war. similar to VHS and Betamax etc. The only good news is that most tvs can be upgraded to receive these different formats with a software update (the exception is Dolby Vision which currently needs a bit of hardware to operate - I assume a chip or bit of on chip jiggery pokery) Don't worry as Dolby Vision is not hugely supported at the moment and LED tvs get by fine without it, even though it may well be the ultimate system at present 

 

There seems to be a few labels stuck on telly's, such as 4k Ultra HD or 4kUltra HDR these mean that the telly is 4k and can receive HDR stuff. The only thing is that the picture might improve slightly with an HDR source, but not necessarily too much. The Ultra UHD Premium HDR thing is an agreed standard and requires a maximum brightness figure to be attainable (which is much higher in LED tellys than in OLED tellys) and also a high colour gamut. OLED tellys don't have to go so bright to achieve the Premium rating because they can go to an infinite black level which means infinite contrast and usually excellent colour. LED tellys don't go a dark, but to offset this they go much brighter. Swings and roundabouts at the top level, although OLED probably still shades it for the purist/nerd. 

 

One thing to note is if you are coming form a lifetime of CRT telly you may find in modern LED TVs motion does not look so smooth, (owing in part to the persistence of your CRT scanned image and the interlacing of the frame). Skin tones are often slightly more 'plastic' looking too, compared to CRT tellys 

 

 

52 minutes ago, john999boy said:

I'm currently looking for a new TV at the moment and that particular 'feature' actually ruled one of the contenders out for me as the extra box would just get in the way as I wasn't going to wall mount it (where it would be a plus point).

 

One thing I've just realised is that only some Samsung and Panasonic TV's are Ultra UHD Premium certified but the current cream of the crop Sony AF8 & LG C8 models don't have this. Is it something that just pertains to LCD or LED and not OLED?

 

Sony OLEDs are currently made my LG as are Panasonic too I think. Certainly the LG and Sony OLEDS will be Premium HDR although perhaps Sony have opted out from using the mostly agreed 'premium' standard badge. I'm pretty sure all current OLEDS meet the high end standard

 

just had a look at a Sony A8 OLED set and it has Dolby Vision so it is most certainly Premium  

Edited 17 June, 20188 yr by Lady Elanore

BTW  I saw one of the Sony OLEDS a few months ago and was staggered how well the sound works. It has actuators fastened to the back of the screen and uses the screen it's self as the loudspeaker driver!!!! It even produces stereo!!!! Very clever if it doesn't cause problems later on in it's life  

34 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

BTW  I saw one of the Sony OLEDS a few months ago and was staggered how well the sound works. It has actuators fastened to the back of the screen and uses the screen it's self as the loudspeaker driver!!!! It even produces stereo!!!! Very clever if it doesn't cause problems later on in it's life  

 

Is that the one that cost several thousands of pounds? I was looking at a Sony a few months ago and the picture was amazing and I recall the salesman saying it had some fancy sound gimmick. I'm sure it was about £4K though

 

Also, I think you are right, LG are making most if not all of the OLED panels at present

Edited 17 June, 20188 yr by SuperbTWM

Thats the badger, but the panel itself is an LG OLED. They are a little out of the budget the OP had set (LG B7 OLED) and start at 55" sadly. I personally don't think you can get a better picture than the current OLEDS, but if you have a bright room, I can see why someone might prefer LEDs (they can go searingly bright as that Samsung shows and they will continue to get brighter with proceeding generations I assume!) 

 

Trouble is with the bigger image you get to see more faults with the picture  CRT masked an awful lot of flaws and in some ways is still considered to be a great picture  

Edited 17 June, 20188 yr by Lady Elanore

1 minute ago, Lady Elanore said:

Thats the badger, but the panel itself is an LG OLED. They are a little out of the budget you had set (LG B7 OLED) and start at 55" sadly. I personally don't think you can get a better picture than the current OLEDS, but if you have a bright room, I can see why someone might prefer LEDs (they can go searingly bright as that Samsung shows and they will continue to get brighter with proceeding generations I assume!) 

 

Trouble is with the bigger image you get to see more faults with the picture  CRT masked an awful lot of flaws and in some ways is still considered to be a great picture  

I will definitely be getting an OLED TV when I upgrade but i'm hanging on for when/if they start making them in smaller sizes. I think 55" is just a bit too big for our living room

My current OLED is 55" and as it has a teeny bezel it doesn't seem any bigger than my old 42" Pioneer Kuro Plasma. Plus the bezel itself is a very slim sheet of glass so it's see through  for the win  

I am such a nerd :( 

 

Good job I have George Clooney locked up in my cellar, or I wouldn't get any human contact at all 

Regards size and quality...

 

For the last few years we've had a mid to high end 43" Sony LCD HD TV in the living room (replacing originally at 28" wide CRT, 32" wide CRT then a 40" LCD TV).

 

On Saturday I swapped it out for a low to mid range 48" Sony LCD HD TV that had been in my late father's house.

 

The missus has been watching the TV for 2 days and hasn't yet noticed that we've changed it.

 

The lad and I have noticed that the picture isn't as sharp on the lower end screen so are likely to swap back to the 43".

 

Buy as big as can fit at the highest quality you can afford :-)

 

If there is to be a compromise, get a smaller higher quality rather than a larger lower quality.

Edited 18 June, 20188 yr by Gyp

If you're planning on streaming 4k you'll need a fibre connection to your house 30Mb anyway.

Old 'superfast' BB at 7-17Mb isn't really fast enough for 4k.

1 hour ago, Aspman said:

 .....30Mb anyway.

 

Just tested at 34.5 down and 8.95 up.  Varies quite a bit though - last week it was 28 and a month ago it was 44.

 

Gaz

That will probably be OK as NETFLIX compress their stream pretty heavily. We did a test with five 4K cameras a few years ago at the Commonwealth games (Glasgow) and we needed to borrow a 100Gb network to get the signals out!! (I think they used around 60Gb of it) 

 

I had an issue with my broadband a few months ago and it's speed dropped noticeably. The telly's streaming apps just adjusted the picture down from 4k to 1080. not ideal but worked fine. 

For those of a slightly technical bent, you might find this interesting

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-05-uhd_hdr_world_cup_2018

This might be of interest (although the size might be an issue)

 

https://www.t3.com/features/best-tv-under-1000

I found this little article, it might explain things better than i tried to do. It mentions Sony as a company that doesn't use the 'Premium' tag in it's HDR

 

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/hdr-problems-how-to-fix-4k-uhd-tv-2947939

 

had a chance to look at any tellys yet?