DSG clutch weeping oil

[fletch555]

Dropped my 2011 Fabia vRS in for a service and they mentioned to me that there was oil weeping from the clutch.  I'm probably being really ignorant here but I thought the DSG was a dry clutch? 

[Ootohere]

Stop driving it.  Well they have the car, what are 'they' saying.   What do they propose>

 

There is Oil and there is Oil in the MCU.  It is Twin Dry Clutches though.

The MCU can leak.   

 

The issue after 2012 and the Mineral Oil instead of Synthetic was leaks and MCU failure, hence '34H5' the Software update.

 

But your DQ200 is before that, 

so was '34F7' ever done, the Synthetic changed to Mineral oil and the software update.

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

 

More important, has your car had a new engine?  (or maybe that was another 'fletch', so sorry if i have the wrong car.)

If so when was that fitted, and where was that done. 

 

Reason being those with replaced engines of some 2012 cars have then had 'White Spanner' warnings, 

that is a oil / pressure loss issue with the DSG.

Edited 4 October, 2018 by Offski

[fletch555]

It did get the mineral oil change and software update yes.

 

I had the new engine fitted just over 2 years ago by a Skoda dealer. (It's not used a single drop of oil since)

Edited 4 October, 2018 by fletch555

[Ootohere]

Not worried about your engine oil.

 

It is your DSG after the Engine change and then Oil loss, then MCU failure.

 

Have a look up top on the DQ200 DSG pinned thread.  Sittingbull had the issue, and others have, and it is getting a bit more common.

[Ootohere]

here is his own thread, there are others.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444617-7sp-dq200-dsg-failure

 

I know he is busy and not able to get on the forum much, but i am sure he can help if you need advice, 

he had contact with others having the issue recently.

i will contact him, and he can read your post. 

 

Good luck.   Do not pay thousands because Skoda messed up...

 

Edited 4 October, 2018 by Offski

[fletch555]

1 hour ago, Offski said:

Not worried about your engine oil.

 

It is your DSG after the Engine change and then Oil loss, then MCU failure.

 

Have a look up top on the DQ200 DSG pinned thread.  Sittingbull had the issue, and others have, and it is getting a bit more common.

I only added the bit about my engine oil for reference (as I'm still a little bit bitter about it, having complained since the very first service that the car was using too much oil and constantly being told it was within parameters)

 

Why does the issue manifest itself after a new engine I wonder?  The garage seemed to be suggesting they could just replace the seal and all would be good.  Would this be the case if caught in time?

Edited 4 October, 2018 by fletch555

[Ootohere]

Great yours is caught in time if a leak from the MCU.

& then no Oil Pump failure.

 

So see what the Dealership is saying and Skoda Ireland. 

I would not drive it until cause of leak found and repair carried out.   

Sittingbull drove his because they advised him badly IMO. Maybe i did as well.

 

I will bump you the thread on the Later Model CTHE and DQ200 leak,  but just to show the small amount of oil.

This is a different failure, but important. 

 

Here it is.

This is a car with the new oil from the factory, it was the last of the cars built and these failures are why '34H5' was started.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432730-oil-leak

 

Edited 4 October, 2018 by Offski

[fletch555]

Rang Skoda there and they told me that 34F7 was carried out in June 2014 (along with 74C7 which was the heater elements in the seats)

 

She said there was no other campaigns showing as required.

[fletch555]

Ran my vin through the Recall actions tool and looks like I've had all recall actions applied

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

[Ootohere]

I know there are not. any for your car after those you had.

'34H5' is on cars 2013-2015.

 

But it got a new engine, and now the DQ200's that they know had issues is having issues as others that have had new engines are having, 

so as you are in the EU and there is first an Engine not fit for purpose and a DSG, and the new issues are starting to appear it is still 

the problem for Skoda CZ, Skoda Ireland, Skoda UK and Skoda anywhere.

 

They built the sh!te, they are still going to have to deal with it regardless of the car being 7 years old, the Engine Work was only 2 years ago.

Skoda can check how many replaced engine cars now have DSG failing or leaking.

 

All i am suggesting is do not let Skoda Ireland screw you.  Do not assume the position, 

they will try to just get you to pay up or clear off.

Edited 4 October, 2018 by Offski

[Sittingbull]

Hi Fletch,

 

Offski is correct, ours (April 2012 CAVE engine with black pack) did get a replacement engine due to the oil consumption issue. That was in September 2014, 3 months after we bought it. It hasn't used a drop of oil between services since which is brilliant, or as I like to point out, as it should have been from day one leaving the production line.

 

Our gearbox did not require, and subsequently did not receive, any change of oil from fully synthetic to mineral. I have queried this back in 2014 and again in 2017, and told it wasn't required.

 

Unfortunately, back in January this year we encountered a flashing white spanner in the PRNDS area of the multi function display. We contacted 2 main dealers, Ingrams in Ayr and Parks in Hamilton as we were sure the spanner wasn't for a service, there was no accompanying audible warning and the spanner wasn't front and centre of the dash.

 

Nevertheless, the advice we got from both main dealers was that we shouldn't worry, the spanner was indicating the vehicle required an inspection service and that only the dealer could perform the removal of that spanner symbol.

 

That advice was utter *******s, although neither dealer to be fair to them had been alerted by Skoda UK (who despite their denials, did know of the flashing white spanner and what it meant) and that incorrect advice led to a catastrophe, motoring and financial. Unknown to us (and we were in deep snow at the time) there was a leak of oil from within the components of the mechatronic unit, eventually leading to a loss of the required pressure to operate the gearbox, and the car becoming totally undriveable as no forward or rear movement could be achieved.

 

And so, 9 weeks and £3200 later, and after 3 misdiagnosis and botched quotes (anywhere from £1100 to £7400) we got our car back.

 

The leak in our case, and the length of time the correct problem went undiagnosed, contributed to the failure of the mechatronic unit due to complete loss of pressure, instead of 40 bar it was down to zero. At no time were we offered a reseal, probably too far gone.

 

If it were me, based on our experience, I would be asking the dealership for a prompt diagnosis, an accurate diagnosis, and assurances that the mechatronic unit and clutches were in good order if all they are seeking to do is reseal.

 

If it's beyond simply a reseal, then get into Skoda Ireland/ UK/ CZ early and let them know you know of plenty others who have had this same problem after an engine change, and also without an engine change when it comes down to it. Seek assistance towards any bill as this is a known issue despite their denials.

 

And good luck.

 

 

[fletch555]

Thanks for all the information.  I rang the (independent) garage back that serviced my car and asked them for a price to repair the seal...but the guy couldn't remember my car (and hadn't written it on the invoice) and couldn't be sure if it was the gearbox or the driveshaft so he's asked me to bring the car back for another look.  Dropping it down later and he's going to put it up on the ramp and have another look.

[fletch555]

Okay, so I went back to the garage and he put the car up on the ramp.  He showed me the leak.  He said it's the seal in the gearbox that is leaking.  Will be bringing it to Skoda next week.

 

 

 

[fletch555]

So got the car back from Skoda...they said there was a very slight leak from the rear crank oil seal.  Said it would require the gearbox to be removed to replace the seal @ 9hrs labour + parts, it would be at least €1k.  They seemed to think that it isn't really serious enough to warrant going to all that expense as it's not using any oil....Not sure what to do

[Sittingbull]

On 17/10/2018 at 13:12, fletch555 said:

So got the car back from Skoda...they said there was a very slight leak from the rear crank oil seal.  Said it would require the gearbox to be removed to replace the seal @ 9hrs labour + parts, it would be at least €1k.  They seemed to think that it isn't really serious enough to warrant going to all that expense as it's not using any oil....Not sure what to do

 

Find a very well thought of gearbox specialist and see how much they would quote for the same job?

 

If they're 100% sure it's not leaking from the mechatronic unit then it's not the worst outcome it could have been, replacing the mech itself is £1149 for the part plus vat plus fitting.

[Ootohere]

New engine fitted over 2 years ago.

Yet another crap one out of a crate it would appear.

 

Has the engine been cleaned yet to see properly where the oil is from?

 

Please do not go dropping oil on the road.

[fletch555]

That's what has me confused.. 

 

The new engine doesn't use a drop of oil...I've never had to top it up between services and there's never any oil on the ground where I park...and sometimes my car stays in the same place for days on end as I cycle to work. 

[Ootohere]

It never tales much oil or ATF or whatever to make a mess when leaking or getting forced out.

 

All the best with it.