Yes, I'm well aware it's relevant in some cases, that's why I didn't say 'it is completely irrelevant in all circumstances' 

As stated, it’s just too much for a Skoda or any other budget brand.

It has to be viewed in relation to the competition too. Yes, £30,000 list sounds a huge number for a 245ps auto estate Skoda but consider that a Focus ST Line X 182ps auto estate is £28,000 list and it doesn't seem as bad. A Kia Cee'd Sportswagon auto 138ps, £28,600. 

 

List prices in general on mundane cars are bonkers. 

13 hours ago, Stoofa said:

By it's very definition, £30k is not cheap.

Cheaply made

On 15/12/2018 at 23:30, toni8b said:

Cheaply made

 

Fabled German reliability, is just a fable, being used to justify extortionate price increases year after year.

 

like fuel, any excuse to put prices up, but when there are reasons for costs to go down they are never passed on.

 

Expensive options mandated to have other common unrelated options, emissions scandles, avoidance or recalls for clear faults. It does not instill confidence.

 

Then there is an extra charge to increase the warranty to the levels offered by so called “cheap brands”. If the reliability was as good as they make out then they wouldn’t need to charge so much.

 

Personally, I am Furious VW were not made to pay the lost car tax as a fine and also additional fines for the lying and the extra measures needed to clean up the cities.

 

Not sure if it’s our government being useless or EU countries being to scared to do anything about Germany, but we are being made to assume the position.

Edited 17 December, 20187 yr by cheezemonkhai

5 hours ago, cheezemonkhai said:

 

 

Personally, I am Furious VW were not made to pay the lost car tax as a fine and also additional fines for the lying and the extra measures needed to clean up the cities.

 

 

 

I thought the VW cheat related to NO/NO2 (NOx) which isn't taxed

 

I suppose with the fix applied and NOx leveles are back where they should be engines tend to generate more CO2 - however they would have been originally tested like this as the NOx would have been reduced in cheat/test mode.

Had just the same with Vauxhall.

 

Wife's Corsa has just had a gasket failure costing £550, albeit down from from £850. But she likes the car and so we wondered about swapping for a new one, the customer service woman was adamant they'd look after us, for our inconvenience and loyalty. It was bought new from them and serviced every year to maintain the lifetime warranty that didn't cover anything....

 

Anyway. Absolutely no movement on the price of a new one,  point blank refused and poor trade in. Then we had the battle of add one, gap at 3 times the price etc, and a new one on me, dash cam. 300 notes for a £100 one in halfords.

 

We walked.

 

Over the following weeks we got continually pestered, including would you consider a different model, it has a heated steering wheel too.

 

No thank you.

 

They are now trying to sell us a 3 yr old courtesy car with more miles on than our trade in and it's been serviced by them from new, that doesn't inspire confidence.

 

So yes, I would say a dealer is now more interested in clearing their yard at the back than helping the customer. Sad days

On 17/12/2018 at 12:56, bigjohn said:

 

 

I thought the VW cheat related to NO/NO2 (NOx) which isn't taxed

 

I suppose with the fix applied and NOx leveles are back where they should be engines tend to generate more CO2 - however they would have been originally tested like this as the NOx would have been reduced in cheat/test mode.

 

There was a system, they admitted dieselgate.

 

As such manufacturers should be fined maximum tax amount minus declared tax amount times by cars on roads.

 

After all they sold a car without an accurate declaration, so max should be assumed.