So im just wonder if the Gear ratios for my my vRS 15 plate seem correct, i have notice whist in sport mode and cursing down the motorway at approx 75mph that the DSG seems to want to stay in 4th gear!. This seem odd to me as i would have thought after no extra acceleration apply it would eventually shift up to 6th gear but it just seems to stay in 4th all the time, does this sound right?

13 minutes ago, BlockABoots said:

So im just wonder if the Gear ratios for my my vRS 15 plate seem correct, i have notice whist in sport mode and cursing down the motorway at approx 75mph that the DSG seems to want to stay in 4th gear!. This seem odd to me as i would have thought after no extra acceleration apply it would eventually shift up to 6th gear but it just seems to stay in 4th all the time, does this sound right?

This is why I hated my 64plate DSG Tdi Vrs because put in SPORT to use the paddles to change gear and it would be at a minimum 2,500rpm and 4th or 5th gear. When I tried to drop the revs by changing upto 6th it would over-ride my instruction and drop back to 5th or 4th depending on what speed I was doing. For me with limited power range of just 2,000revs in the diesel the SPORT function was pretty useless and I left it in AUTO the majority of the time. It will also use more fuel in SPORT as it it keeps the revs artificially high for no apparent gain in performance. Plus more noise as an added BONUS!

'S' there for those that want it to use when it does what it should, hold onto gears on mountain roads, point and shoot etc, give more RPM before up shifting, 

maybe dropping D to S to decelerate, maybe on winter roads to slow without braking.

Why bother with it in 'S' if trundling / cruising up a motorway? You have a shifter, easy enough to go from 'D' to 'S' as and when required.

 

Then obviously there are difference from a Petrol or Diesel with a DSG, or a Wet or Dry Clutch DSG.   Nice that there are choices how you use them.

Auto, Semi Auto, Manual, shifter or paddles.

Edited 22 December, 20187 yr by Skoffski

As above if your cursing or cruising down the motorway why have it in sport mode?

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

This is why I hated my 64plate DSG Tdi Vrs because put in SPORT to use the paddles to change gear and it would be at a minimum 2,500rpm and 4th or 5th gear. When I tried to drop the revs by changing upto 6th it would over-ride my instruction and drop back to 5th or 4th depending on what speed I was doing. For me with limited power range of just 2,000revs in the diesel the SPORT function was pretty useless and I left it in AUTO the majority of the time. It will also use more fuel in SPORT as it it keeps the revs artificially high for no apparent gain in performance. Plus more noise as an added BONUS!

Sounds like you'd have been better off putting it in manual mode rather than sport, if you wanted to manually control the gears.

 

Sport is meant to be an automatic mode that holds gears longer, keeps in the optimum torque band etc. nothing to do with controlling manually. 

 

It sounds more like you didn't understand how to use the gearbox correctly rather than it being crap. 

4 minutes ago, Kenai said:

Sounds like you'd have been better off putting it in manual mode rather than sport, if you wanted to manually control the gears.

 

Sport is meant to be an automatic mode that holds gears longer, keeps in the optimum torque band etc. nothing to do with controlling manually. 

 

It sounds more like you didn't understand how to use the gearbox correctly rather than it being crap. 

The DSG box just makes more sense in a 600bhp Golf R than a 181bhp diesel which was the point I was trying to make. My current petrol manual car doesn't need to downshift to 5th or 4th when at 60mph in 6th gear (2,000revs) there are 350lb/ft of torque ready to throw me towards the horizon, peaking at 380lb/ft at 2,661rpm but still 350lb/ft minimum available at 5,000rpm (slightly illegal 150mph).

Or just makes most sense where someone feels no need for a clutch pedal.

5 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

Or just makes most sense where someone feels no need for a clutch pedal.

When I hit 400 points on this forum after 1,400 posts I set myself a target of 600 points before reaching 2,000 posts so BIG THANKS to all those members who reacted to my comments (my tongue is firmly in my cheek the majority of the time so hope no-one takes anything I might say at face value or literally).

A quick pull on the lever and it is in sport, another and it is back in drive. TBH I think it is great, if I need to overtake I just knock it back into Sport and go. Back into drive when I'm passed. It just hangs on to gears more, does what it says on the tin.

 

Same caveats as normal in the DSG -  it cannot see the road ahead, easily taken care of temporarily with paddles.

 

Driving manuals for decades, I am a DSG convert. but you need to know how to drive it if you are going to get the best of it, it is a different style of driving.

 

Would not have a dsg without paddles though

21 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

The DSG box just makes more sense in a 600bhp Golf R than a 181bhp diesel which was the point I was trying to make. My current petrol manual car doesn't need to downshift to 5th or 4th when at 60mph in 6th gear (2,000revs) there are 350lb/ft of torque ready to throw me towards the horizon, peaking at 380lb/ft at 2,661rpm but still 350lb/ft minimum available at 5,000rpm (slightly illegal 150mph).

It makes perfect sense for people who understand how to use it. 

 

I can see why you struggled with it if you thought swapping between different automatic modes would make it function as if it was in manual mode. 

 

The only point you've managed to make is that you don't understand how the gearbox works. 

3 minutes ago, flybynite said:

A quick pull on the lever and it is in sport, another and it is back in drive. TBH I think it is great, if I need to overtake I just knock it back into Sport and go. Back into drive when I'm passed. It just hangs on to gears more, does what it says on the tin.

 

Same caveats as normal in the DSG -  it cannot see the road ahead, easily taken care of temporarily with paddles.

 

Driving manuals for decades, I am a DSG convert. but you need to know how to drive it if you are going to get the best of it, it is a different style of driving.

 

Would not have a dsg without paddles though

Drove my Dad's 168bhp DSG diesel 2012 Superb Estate a couple months ago over a 20mile cross country route averaging more than 50mpg. I really enjoyed it in his car and he is 77 years old so it suits him nicely. You could slow down to 40mph in 6th and then accelerate without it hunting up and down the gearbox and he loves his car.

As much as it pains me to say it, some blokes really do need to read the instruction manual to understand how things best work to get the most out of it (rather than bitch when it doesn’t work as we expect it) 

2 minutes ago, jars said:

As much as it pains me to say it, some blokes really do need to read the instruction manual to understand how things best work to get the most out of it (rather than bitch when it doesn’t work as we expect it) 

Probably explains why I am happy with my 7 year old I Phone 4 when more modern, high tech versions are available.

Damn this thread went off track lol.

 

Yeah i mainly use the paddles to move up the gears but would be ideal if it then didnt decide to change down again on it own 30 seconds later....but then this is the first automatic ive had

If you want it in Manual, knock the selector to the left and it'll switch to Manual and it'll only intervene if you hit the rev limiter or the engine is about to stall. Other than those limits, you're in control, either using the selector forward and backward or via the paddles. 

 

If you're in Drive or Sport then the paddles are only a temporary override, so you can for example drop a gear or two before an overtake rather than relying on kickdown. 

 

In Sport it'll try to stay in the gear that'll give best acceleration but compromised with trying not to just sit at 3500rpm. 

 

In Drive it'll shift up to the most efficient gear it can manage without labouring the engine. 

 

If you're cruising on the motorway there is absolutely no point putting it in Sport, all it'll do is sit a gear lower than it needs to waiting for you to accelerate. Unless you engage cruise control and then it'll probably change up regardless of mode as the car is controlling the acceleration demand. 

 

If you're using Sport mode because you want other features of that drive mode whilst cruising, I'd suggest you're better off setting up Individual so it enables the bits you want but leaves the gearbox in Drive. 

7 hours ago, BlockABoots said:

Yeah i mainly use the paddles to move up the gears but would be ideal if it then didnt decide to change down again on it own 30 seconds later....but then this is the first automatic ive had

 

That is exactly what people are getting at ........RTFM . It is not a torque converter automatic, it is a DSG - there are differences.

 

When in 'auto' (Drive or Sport) the paddles override the gears TEMPORARILY. For the times when the DSG can not see something ahead on the road or read your mind. It then reverts back to 'auto' soon after.

 

That is why I would not have a DSG without paddles, you can't do that any other way i.e. with the stick. If you do not have paddles you lose this ability. That would be a deal breaker for me as I think it is one of the most useful things on the gearbox.

 

If you want the paddles to move gears permanently, you need to have the stick across in manual.

Edited 23 December, 20187 yr by flybynite