Morning folks.

 

Long time Fabia Mk1 TDi owner /driver /restorer here, looking for a bit of advice from you informed folks over here on the Octavia MK2 section of the Forum.

 

I'm looking at an additional vehicle to the family fleet (to keep the 2 x vRS Fabia's company) and need something a tad bigger at the same time, so i'm being drawn to the facelift Mk2 Octavia TDi estate.  The car will become my commuting work hack and family bus so I'm looking for some definitive advice as to the most simple Mk2 TDi there is mechanically.

 

I'm not looking for performance, so no Vrs models, what i'm after is the utopia in my mind, one without a DPF or other associated gubbins that "could" give grief down the line. I'm fully versed in the 1.9 PD 8V engine as in the Fabias, so am I right in thinking that the facelift Mk2 1.9 TDi 105bhp is the proven 8v PD engine with just a Catalytic Convertor and no DPF? Effectively the same emissions controls as found on the Fabia vRS? 

 

I've done a fair bit of digging about on here but cant get a definitive answer to a quite specific question, hence the post.

 

Cheers folks.

 

 

Matt

I think so, its what I ended up with although I thought I was buying a 2.0 140 TDi (dont ask ) but seemingly I struck gold in the simplicity and reliability stakes.

 

Not sure if it has a catastrophic convertor, mine has 128K miles and sounds like a sewing machine, the underbonnet has never been cleaned but you could eat your dinner off the engine casings or the undertray.

 

My MK1 11O TDi even at 325K miles never leaked oil per sé but the 105 BKC engine is in another league.

 

Doesn't burn any oil and having swapped the ECU for a remapped alleged 145 hp one it has the overtaking power now without any loss of flexibility or economy.

 

I think its the simplest you can get in the MK2 diesel engine range.

Thanks JR! 

Definitely get yourself a 1.9 105.

 

I'm on 168k now and it still runs perfectly. Never used a single drop of oil.

 

The PFL had it available in the elegance or l&k trim with all the bells and whistles 

 

1.9 PD 105 BKC is the one to go for with no DPF.

either 1.9PD105 or 2.0PD140 are good reliable engines - go for 105 for economy or 140 if you want a bit more poke

Just be aware the 2.0 PD TDi FL Octy Scout has a DPF fitted. Not sure if that also applies to the 4x4. 

1 hour ago, MicMac said:

1.9 PD 105 BKC is the one to go for with no DPF.

 

I did really well then considerng that mine was sold as a 2 litre and I genuinely believe the retired lady believed that, many of the garage bills had 2 litre marked on them also the keyfob label on the spare key from the dealer she bought it from.

 

I have no excuse, the I had scanned the V5 and did not even see the lack of a 6th gear on the gearknob

 

But it is the BKC engine and now rechipped allegedly to 140hp so its worked out just fine

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by J.R.

It'll deff be the 1.9 for economy as most of the journey is a 75 mile per day commute to work and back, 100% giffer speed for maximum MPG.

 

I've been reading about the fabled "BXEE engines throwing rods out of the block. I assume this is predominantly internet hysteria and in fact, the vast majority are fine if serviced well and not horribly abused. 

6 hours ago, Lofty said:

It'll deff be the 1.9 for economy as most of the journey is a 75 mile per day commute to work and back, 100% giffer speed for maximum MPG.

 

I've been reading about the fabled "BXEE engines throwing rods out of the block. I assume this is predominantly internet hysteria and in fact, the vast majority are fine if serviced well and not horribly abused. 

There are plenty of broken BXE engines across the VAG group on the web. No one really knows why it happens to some of them. Long life servicing with short distance driving who knows. 

Anyway plus 1 for a 05 Octy 2 105 hatch manual. Only big issue for me and the 200k I put on it already, was the DMF. The SMF conversion never went perfectly but the car just keeps on going and even though it’s not the estate the boot is huge. 

Another shout for the 105bhp 1.9 TDi PD model. Our is the 55 reg Classic and is now nearing 179K miles (bought in 2012 with 93K).

Hi Lofty if it is economy you're after it has to be the 1.9 engine as it is for some reason miles ahead of the 2.0 BKD engine despite this being mated to time a 6 speed box and the older engine still only gets the 5... Neither on a PFL model has a DPF but I'm sure both have an EGR valve.

 

I can't speak for what the 1.9 is like to drive as I've never driven one but the 2.0 even in standard mode has enough oomph to suit my motorway driving and much more power and better fuel economy than the 2 litre Citrioen C5 it replaced ... I bought mines, an 07, in L&K trim in July 2015 with 70,400 mikes on the clock and up its now on pushing 127,000 

I also recommend the 1.9TDI 105 engines. 

 

There are some to avoid, as mentioned the BXE. The conrod issue also applies to the BLS engines. Off course, you'll read (mainly) the horror stories. Doesn't mean the BXE/BLS are bad engines, they only have a higher failure rate. You might be lucky and never be affected by this issue tho, since there are many still running fine. 

I personally would be on the safe side, and just skip these engines, unless you know the bearings are replaced. Plenty of cars available, why opting for one which might have a known issue.....

 

Also, go for a manual. DSG6 is a nice automatic gearbox, but it has (slightly lower) MPG and is a possible piece of equipmen to fail eventually. Manual is generally more reliable on the long term.

(But not as comfortable tho)

 

If it hasn't a DPF, it can't fail also  DPF is good for the environment, less good for your wallet (choose whatever for you is the most important)

 

Disadvantages of the old 1.9TDI engines (especially the ones without DPF): They sound like an agricultural engine and more important: They are likely to be 'on the chopping list' for all environmental freaks..  Especially when driving to mainland Europe you can expect issues: City's who require additional payments for these 'dirty diesels', or deny entry to city zones. 

Also, diesel continues to increase in price, so on the long term it might not be the best option (In some countries diesel is already more expensive than regular gasoline)

 

Here in the Netherlands they are also planning to add 15% additional charge for dirty diesel cars (without DPF). Roadtax for my O2 will increase another 16 euro most likely next year (Now already at 108 eur/month)

Other countries will definitely find a way to increase the costs for an old TDI as well.

 

But till that time: I'm happy driving my O2, currently at 420k (262k miles). (BJB engine)

 

Edited 7 March, 20197 yr by DJSmiley

€108 per month

 

Here in France you pay once when you register the vehicle in your name, my 1.9 105 BKC is rated at 6 fiscal horsepower and being over 10 years old was half price, I paid exactly the amount that you pay each month and intend that it should cover me for 10 years, I got 12 years out of the last carte grise charge of €170 (car was less than 10 years old)

 

Diesel is still cheaper than gasoil and despite the recent protests costs less (just) than it did at its peak 10 years ago.

 

Higher polluting vehicles are banned from the centre of Paris and other cities on high pollution days but here in the sticks I think diesel will be around for a good while yet.

I’ve got the quite rare 2.0 8v PD140 DSG6 BMM which is the only EU4 Octy with a DPF.  As far as I know it’s the original from 2007 and for the last 6 months is been to the shops and back and through our winters in Central Europe.  Zero DPF issues.  Don’t be put off by them.

 

And no it hasn’t been deleted, main dealer scanned and inspected it.