In Scotland Lots of places EU funded no longer have the signs showing they were.  Roads for Fish and logging lorries. With crawler lanes or passing places.  EV charging hubs and the likes.  So transport links.  Sometimes very fancy or over fancy things like road side walls.   Small stretches of roads but cost an awful lot of money.  Lots of consultancy money, materials and workman ship not from the areas where the work has been done. 

Edited 21 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

2 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

In Scotland Lots of places EU funded no longer have the signs showing they were.  Roads for Fish and logging lorries. With crawler lanes or passing places.  EV charging hubs and the likes.  So transport links.  Sometimes very fancy or over fancy things like road side walls.   Small stretches of roads but cost an lot of money.  

It's almost as if they are trying to obliterate all references to what the EU actually did for the UK. Much the same as they have been trying to delete all online media about the lies they fed us about the benefits of leaving, remember the famous red bus and did we ever get that money paid to the NHS after we left, of course not, but many believed that we would and the rest is history. 

https://allstarcard.co.uk/resources/ev-insights/allstar-charge-place-scotland-network

 

CPS have now turned on roaming with Allstar.

 

Hopefully Electroverse next 🤞

I graze charged at this exact location where silver car is parked. 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/LdHoB8Y1LBDgs8Tu5

 

There was a 3-phase AC post and a rapid charger. I used AC to keep car topped up to 95%. Tapped my CPS card. 
 

But I can’t find this on CPS map nor Zapmap. The charging isn’t showing up on my account charging session page. 
 

Any ideas? 2nd time using CPS, first time at Portree DC rapid, only got 30 kw and had to vacate after 45min to avoid overstay penalty. 

I can not find anything Old Man of Storr.

 

 

 Bayfield Car Park.  There are 2 locations there.   no. 61778 showing occupied.  & 61777

 

Then there is 50730   showing 'Unkown'   it is at Lisigarry Court  as well just across from the other 2.. 

 

Only 1 site shows with the 2 chargers on PlugShare.

 

Isle of Skye Candle co. has 2 7kW AC,s.

& Marmalade Hotel. Restricted.

 

Edited 27 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Robert Burns Birthplace Museum Ayr.  2 x 7 kW AC sockets & free.  Charge place Scotland charging. Maybe a tariff after the first 12 months of being free. Car park and chargers just open during Museum opening times.     Culzean Castle National Trust Scotland 4x7 kW AC type 2 socket  chargers Free to use. 

Edited 3 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Actually, they are not free, other taxpayers are paying for the EV owners to get cheap motoring which is not really fair is it, we are all paying enough in tax without allowing others to free load. It is not a level playing field for everyone, which it should be and 7kW is somewhat limiting in its usefulness and also very limited numbers and access times in the case of the Museum. 

Not necessarily tax payer funded in this case. Its the owner of the chargepoint who sets the tariff, CPS is just the umbrella organisation who manage the chargers on the owner's behalf. In the case above the subsidy is from Culzean Castle and the Robert Burns museum.  A quick Google shows both locations are owned / managed by National Trust Scotland. This is consistent with many chargers at National Trust sites in the rest of the UK who provide free EV charging. (although they are now embarking on an upgrade scheme that will see charges levied for EV charging)

Your statement on how useful these are is also erroneous. 7kW DESTINATION chargers are the ideal solution at somewhere where you will spend a significant amount of time. Both of these locations are places you are likely to spend at least a couple of hours, giving a decent charge. All the NT properties I visit regularly I will be there 2 hours and at Bodnant Gardens we often spend four hours there which would give me an extra 100 miles if I plugged in. 

 

Destination chargers are not intended to be part of a splash and dash charging strategy on a long trip. 

I've just done 1500 miles road trip, write up here:

 

I whole heartedly agree with this, need more destination chargers:

 

45 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

Not necessarily tax payer funded in this case. Its the owner of the chargepoint who sets the tariff, CPS is just the umbrella organisation who manage the chargers on the owner's behalf. In the case above the subsidy is from Culzean Castle and the Robert Burns museum.  A quick Google shows both locations are owned / managed by National Trust Scotland. This is consistent with many chargers at National Trust sites in the rest of the UK who provide free EV charging. (although they are now embarking on an upgrade scheme that will see charges levied for EV charging)

Your statement on how useful these are is also erroneous. 7kW DESTINATION chargers are the ideal solution at somewhere where you will spend a significant amount of time. Both of these locations are places you are likely to spend at least a couple of hours, giving a decent charge. All the NT properties I visit regularly I will be there 2 hours and at Bodnant Gardens we often spend four hours there which would give me an extra 100 miles if I plugged in. 

 

Destination chargers are not intended to be part of a splash and dash charging strategy on a long trip. 

I'm not in any way decrying what you say about destination chargers, but just 2 of them? What happens if you have more than 2 people wanting to charge, I know that I would, especially for free. 

In this case as they are effectively run by National Trust Scotland, I expect that they are charging for the car parking or admission then and so the chargers are being funded via that route?

Actually the £21 million or whatever the Robert the Bruce Museum was to cost back 13 years ago had lots of funding from lottery, or Scottish Heritage or South Ayrshire council etc and for a SNT property.   @Graham Butcher when I say Free charging I mean free to the person getting the charge.  Obviously the electricity costs, and can be costing people without cars.  But so does pollution and emissions and the Triple Lock and much else cost them.    But as this is Scotland and the Electricity keeps costing us all that use electricity or pay bills then so be it.    I would rather someone gets a free charge in Scotland than down south on the UK the likes of yourself has a low home tariff yet your getting expensive imported electric. 

@Graham Butcher  stop expecting that someone does this or that.   Scottish national trust entry is expensive, a rip off unless a member really which I am.  As to the Robert Burns Museum car park, actually one that you can drive into without any cost to.    But this is like the Falkirk Wheel grounds, or using the Falkirk Wheel with a canal boat..   National lottery funds or part funding projects can then mean free facilities maybe like access or parking.  Not to all parts of things, partners might charge for events or serviced.     Again Scotland is no England.  There can be difference.  Crown Estate, Common Good Land,  Council or Trust funding.   There is a welcome in the hillsides and not just in Wales.    Well also not everyplace now for motorhomes. 

@Luckypants there are greedy barstewards that will drive a little bit from home to charge for hours at free to use visitors attractions leaving the car and the location.  Now I have used many a free charger for an hour's or 2 to get maybe 20 miles range or 40 because that is what I need.   But as for not being with the car and obstruction those actually needing a charge I just do not do it.     My last 4 charges have been 3x 20 kWh a time at 79 pence a kWh. And 15 kWh for no cost and the next charge will be at 37 pence a kWh but not until I need the £5 minimum it will cost me.    So maybe 1 charge at that, then the next charge to 100% will be 55 pence a kWh.   It is Bl00dy expensive charging and some cheaper to bring things back near using an ICE car.     PS crazy when 7/11 , 22 AC costs the same as 43ac / 50 DC like at a Grid Serve, or Osprey / Genie point.    Or even a council like Angus and 55 pence across the board. 

Edited 3 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Luckypantsthere are greedy barstewards that will drive a little bit from home to charge for hours at free to use visitors attractions leaving the car and the location.  

Same in all walks of life unfortunately, there are always selfish bungholes who take the ****. I could do the same, but do not. The examples I gave above are actually just that - examples.

Examples I give are normally repeat offenders who locals know and usually have my posting there car on a website.  Especially if a Company Car /Taxi with a name on it. Or a Van.  

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  stop expecting that someone does this or that.   Scottish national trust entry is expensive, a rip off unless a member really which I am.  As to the Robert Burns Museum car park, actually one that you can drive into without any cost to.    But this is like the Falkirk Wheel grounds, or using the Falkirk Wheel with a canal boat..   National lottery funds or part funding projects can then mean free facilities maybe like access or parking.  Not to all parts of things, partners might charge for events or serviced.     Again Scotland is no England.  There can be difference.  Crown Estate, Common Good Land,  Council or Trust funding.   There is a welcome in the hillsides and not just in Wales.    Well also not everyplace now for motorhomes. 

Your confusing the issue, yes I know the electric is not free but it is to the EV owner, yes I know the trust is a rip off and expensive, it's just the same in England, Scotland does not have the exclusive rights in that dept I assure you. The point I was trying to make (maybe badly) was that you often post about various chargers in Scotland be it council run or what ever, many of those you say have been free. Who gives away free liquid fuel to ICE drivers, no one. 

 

If I could afford to purchase an EV then I could certainly afford to pay for the electric, add in free VED and someone else is paying. That is not a level playing field. If people decide to buy a EV then they should be doing so because that is their choice, not because of incentives being given. The only incentive that should be on the table is the ability to charge cheaply at home or on destination chargers, like at work, or if staying in a hotel. 

Edited 3 June, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Of course it is not a level playing field.  Nobody was encouraging you into ICE vehicles ownership for the past 13 years in the way the Scottish Government was with EV,s.   The 60 plus million £ in Grants and loans went part and parcel with those getting grants for public charging to encourage the use of them.      The loans and grants for vehicles were for businesses and companies to go to EV,s and the general public and it did use public funds from the EU and the UK.  Like farm subsidies and so much else.       Common Markets, Common Good, economic unions.     Some get much more than others.   Some have their hand out more often.      Londoners maybe more than most when it comes to the British Isles.     PS.   Many of us are paying for energy companies to pay EV,s to be charged at times at people's homes.  Those with Smart Meters on Schemes that had them getting money or credit many times the actual kWh tariff that others all around the country pay to buy electricity. 

Edited 3 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

I finally had my overcharge repaid. It was only £13.13

I have have since received 4 emails telling me that due to the high number of things they are dealing with they will get to me come time. (paraphrase)

 

They have not taken any money for charging from the last charge period so £29.44 that i was due not taken, and now i am due next time another £35.

My card has worked consistently where chargers have been in service, lots are out of service.

 

I have done a couple of charges where STRIPE took or authorised £1 then i charged and they took the cost of the charging and sent the invoice right away.

These show on my account as paid,  the outstanding as unpaid,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 June, 20242 yr by Ootohere

22 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I finally had my overcharge repaid. It was only £13.13

I have have since received 4 emails telling me that due to the high number of things they are dealing with they will get to me come time. (paraphrase)

 

They have not taken any money for charging from the last charge period so £29.44 that i was due not taken, and now i am due next time another £35.

My card has worked consistently where chargers have been in service, lots are out of service.

 

I have done a couple of charges where STRIPE took or authorised £1 then i charged and they took the cost of the charging and sent the invoice right away.

These show on my account as paid,  the outstanding as unpaid,

 

Good job you were not desperate for that money as some folk might well be, mean time of course that have been making a few pence interest on your money while its been languishing in their bank account. 

It is the usual horlicks that is Charge Place Scotland or actually CPS being administered by SWARCO.  

Edinburgh City Council tariffs from 4th June 2024.  7 kW AC 43 pence a kWh.  11/22 AC 53 pence. 45 AC / 50 DC rapid 58 pence.  Max 90 mins charging then penalty on rapids. 

Underway. 

Holly smokes, I saw my first street public charger point, just the one, in Chelmsford today.