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Setting the timing on Fabia TSI 1.2

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Rebuilt Engine after all 8 valves got bent. Used a locking off kit to position cam and bolt in bottom of the engine. 

Positioned first piston top dead centre.  And locked off the bolt on the cam gear.

 

Checked buy turning over by hand that valves were free and not catching. 

 

Anyway tried the engine, and it struddles to start, but fired up and ran but lumpy. Was a chattering sound from cam area,  was under the impression it was a valve stuck.. engine ran for 20min and the chatter stopped like it was turned off. 

 

Engine ran and got hot water moving around. Engine ran sweet, was like new. Got in car to rev engine and dies. Wouldn't start again. Fuel leaking around High pressure pump. Changed that. 

 

Would the engine run, if at all like ****e if the timing was 180 degrees out.

 

I know it's a long shot but I really am getting to the end of my tether with it. I know prob it needs plugging in to computer. But no Wallet lights on dash. Struddles to start. Plugs are all black and fueled up..

 

 

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If the timing was 180 degrees out, I'd not expect much life out of that engine - been there done that on a mate's old SAAB 96 1.5V4 Ford engine, only issue that time was that I had believed that he knew that there was "2 positions" for the timing, one right and one wrong, flogging a dead horse for an hour or so did not achieve much - mind you that was only the ignition timing that was 180 degrees out the cam and crank were still in time!  Your problem lies elsewhere.

 

Edit:- to satisfy yourself check the crank<>cam timing again using something down cylinder 1 sparkplug hole as a starting point to allow yourself to get back in there or look elsewhere.

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Thanks for that, checked it at least four times an really frustrating, it seems ok. Got to get a computer on it. Needs some info from the engine. Hope it comes up with a fault.

even 1 tooth out would cause issues, but it would run albeit poorly..

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Yes, that's what I am hoping. Thanks. I definitely don't think it would run at all 180 degrees out. Just a nats out I think. But got a guy with a computer and some experience.  

  • 2 weeks later...

Just a thought a simple  compression test would be one quick way to establish if your work on the valvetrain and timing had been compromised and if any of the valves had been sticking on first start up they may have been slightly bent and a compression test would show this up. 

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Thanks, for you idea. That's just what I am going to try next. I have put new valves in and timed it with the cam lock clamp tool and the bolt that is placed in the hole at the bottom of the engine, the bolt you remove from the the hose bracket. Piston 1 at TDC all seems fine. Only thing I think it could be is that maybe the sprocket moved a little whilst tightening the bolt in the centre, I did not have the counter tool that holds the sprocket. I held it with another tool. The plugs are really black and petrol is visual wet.. I have had it running but it was rough. And struddles to start with popping sounds. I did have it running sweet as a nut but it died when trying to pull off. 

Waiting on a guy to plug it up to computer to see if any codes are evident. 

 

The instruction in the workshop manual are what I used and they are very layman's terms just skirts over the directions. Followed to the best I understood them.

 

 

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Valve open on cylinder number one. No compression. But all others fine. So either valves bent again or cam rocker stuck, feel that is unlikely. So stripping it down again to see what's going off at first level. Think I may have timed it up wrong. Timed it up and tightened up the sprocket and then nipped up the tensioner. Which may have caused the timing to be out a little. Think I should have left the sprocket slightly loose and then tightened the tensioner bolt, then locked off the bolt on the cam sprocket. 

 

  • 3 weeks later...
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Thanks for all you help, I have got it going an to be honest I can't believe my luck.  Compression was down on first cylinder, none what's so ever. Took the cam cover off and the Exhaust valve had popped collet out. It had smashed into four bits. An it had been chewing through the spring top. On the good side the valve was being pushed up with gasses an didn't touch the piston. Didn't get bent, so pushed string into cylinder and filled to max an positioned piston tdc and held valve up. Put new spring top and collets in and built up. Runs like a dream. 200 psi on all four cylinders.  Thank god I didn't have to take head off again, would have been expensive. 

Thanks to xman for giving me links to site for chain kit 

 

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