Great photos thanks.  Looks like they've put them hangy things on both sides of the boot this time...

On 13/11/2019 at 21:32, Roottootemoot said:

'Some' Brokers / Underwriters might want to load the insurance premium, and others might well not on wheel sizes that are available as a factory fit.

That's the issue. 17" wheels are not a factory option for the SEL

Rather keep my Roomster

@dcweather

Look in the owners manual and see the size of wheels / tyres that the manufacturer recommend that can have Snow Chains fitted, and then that size is fine.

The UK is still n the EU and even if not people can take their car to countries and regions that Snow Chains must be carried, and fitted it needs be.

Any call handler / broker or underwriter can not argue with that.

On 15/11/2019 at 21:56, edbostan said:

Rather keep my Roomster

We have also decided to keep our Roomster for bit longer

 

We had a leased Yeti that went back 15 months ago, bought an Arona as wanted something smaller, Skoda had nothing suitable then.  Rather glad we didn’t wait for Kamiq as similar spec is about £8k more than deal I got on Arona.   All we really missed out on the few extra mm length in back that Kamiq has (but roomster beats it for carrying capacity so who cares)

 

Any regrets with my Arona, yes the 18 inch wheels with 215 / 45 R18 tyres.  All seasons are like gold dust in UK in this size (choice of 2, availability often out of stock).   But appears Kamiq SE-L gets same problem wheels.  Another reason not to get a Kamiq.

 

 

 

I've been waiting for the Kamiq with a view to buying so called at the dealer for a brochure - "sorry we don't do brochures any more you will have to view it online" - told him it was a strange way to save money but went home to configure a  1.5 SEL with DSG.

 

With only a few options that I don't regard as luxuries I was up to just over £29,000 - a crazy price.

 

And why would solid red and solid white be £595?

 

I'll not even bother with a test drive.

2 hours ago, dibujo said:

I've been waiting for the Kamiq with a view to buying so called at the dealer for a brochure - "sorry we don't do brochures any more you will have to view it online" - told him it was a strange way to save money but went home to configure a  1.5 SEL with DSG.

 

With only a few options that I don't regard as luxuries I was up to just over £29,000 - a crazy price.

 

And why would solid red and solid white be £595?

 

I'll not even bother with a test drive.

 

Paint has been that price for about 2 years the only colour you get free now is Energy Blue. I have ordered a 1.0l manual SEL Meteor Grey spare wheel £21.950

Everything is done online now even signing the finance

Edited 18 November, 20196 yr by skoda1982

4 hours ago, dibujo said:

 "sorry we don't do brochures any more you will have to view it online" - told him it was a strange way to save money 

 

 

I think that's a perfectly sensible way to save money.  And trees.

Skoda are supposed to be selling cars not saving trees. They obviously don’t pass any money savings on to prospective buyers.

Shouldn't we all be trying to save trees?

8 minutes ago, dibujo said:

Skoda are supposed to be selling cars not saving trees. They obviously don’t pass any money savings on to prospective buyers.

 

Wait till better offers or x demonstrators 

No offers yet on DrivetheDeal but Broadspeed now advertising the base S manual with £2900 discount and something like 1.5 DSG SE-L with £3800 discount.

 

Guess a popular combo would be 1.0 DSG 115ps SE-L which lists for £23230?  Broker now advertising this at £19623 - a saving of £3,607.  I thought it have taken a few weeks yet for the discounting to start - apparently not.

 

I think the dealers know that the cars are overpriced... based on my discussions with 2 dealers.... and know if they are to sell any they have to give discount.. I assume they have the same or similar % margin in all cars?

 

 

The problem is the SEL is top of the range but is severely lacking in some of the "luxury" extras that are standard on the competition's low to mid range variants and it cost all of that discount to get it up to spec. There is however a valid argument to say do you want a car with an inferior ride, engine and overall quality just because it looks more like an SUV and is well specced with non-essential items as standard? I'm torn at the moment

1 hour ago, dcweather said:

The problem is the SEL is top of the range but is severely lacking in some of the "luxury" extras that are standard on the competition's low to mid range variants and it cost all of that discount to get it up to spec. There is however a valid argument to say do you want a car with an inferior ride, engine and overall quality just because it looks more like an SUV and is well specced with non-essential items as standard? I'm torn at the moment

 

You've mentioned this before but you haven't mentioned those specific compeditors.  Which cars do you speak of and what's standard on their low to mid range variants that isn't std on Karoq SEL? 

Edited 11 December, 20196 yr by Guest

I'm talking about the kamiq, I assume your "Karoq" is a typo. Okay. eg. Renault Captur :  Some things included in GT-Line for £16612 that are not in Kamiq:-

full LED lights, blindspot monitoring, spare wheel, parking assist including front and rear sensors and rear camera, auto high beam dip, two tone roof color, adaptive CC, part leather seats.  As I said, not claiming a better car, just saying that top of the range Kamiq  lacks many things that are standard in similar or lower priced competitors. Also, and in fairness, the Kamiq is brand new model and Renault is just about to release the 2020 model. In fact on checking this out I see they have just today put it on the website so i will come back when I have looked at that and see if this down speccing on top models is a trend for all manufacturers.

▼ CLICK ON RENAULT Captur Hatchback - Best Deals on Brand New 2019 UK Cars		RRP	SAVE	PAY
PETROL AUTO	Iconic Hatchback TCe Auto EDC (Petrol 1.3L 150PS 5dr 125g/km)	£20,270	£4,972	£15,298
PETROL AUTO	GT Line Hatchback TCe Auto EDC (Petrol 1.3L 150PS 5dr 125g/km)	£22,070	£5,458	£16,612

 

Kamiq

PETROL AUTO	SE L SUV TSI Auto DSG (Petrol 1.0L 115PS 5dr 113g/km)	£23,230	£3,607	£19,623

 

Comparing an outgoing model where the manufacturer is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it in an attempt to sell against a brand new model?   Hardly a level playing field. But that really doesn't matter because the Kamiq is still better value than it - read on:

 

The Kamiq has LED's, even the base model S has LED lights which is more than you can say for almost all of it's compeditors. Always thought spare wheels were an option on Renault. ( and having owned a Clio, a pain-in-the-arse as well because it's mounted underneath the car).

 

We can sit all day and go thru specs, but you never mentioned the Renault had smaller wheels, or didn;t have dynamic rear indicators,  you didn't mention the Kamiq comes with a far superior infortainment ( although Renaults system works well and it's software + maps iare regularly updated by manufacturer ). Did you realise the Capture only has front disc brakes the rear's being drum? It's all four discs on the Skoda. Not sure why you mention the Renault having Blind spot because thr SE-L also has it. What the Renault doesn't have tho is front assist and lane departure warning, both which are missing on the Renault. ( that's because it's an old car ). Can't remember correctly but don't think Capture had lumbar support, but it's present in Kamiq. And then there's the virtual cockpit which you won't find in that Renault.

 

And then...   look, I'm not going to write everything the SE-L has over the Kamiq, ( the list does go on, and I'm not just talking about umbrellas and ice scrapers )  let's just say you've looking at this from one side only  - you point out what the old Capture has over the Kamiq, but fail to mention what the Kamiq has over the Capture. Even at those prices you mention, the Kamiq IMO is by far the best value car.

 

Of course even forgetting the specs, you didn't make any mention of the fact the Kamiq has a far superior quality of materials. Don't get me wrong, my Renault worked 100% faultless and there were few rattles, and for the price I paid it was a great buy.  ( The car listed at £16500 - I paid £10300 for it. At £10300 you could forgive a few of the questionable plastics but not at £16500 )

 

All I'll say on the matter is if you're comparing the Kamiq to that particular Capture then go ahead and buy the Capture.  I very much doubt the bods at Skoda will be worried in the slightest about loosing sales to a vehicle which hasn't really changed since 2013 and has safety systems to match.

 

Anyway it's only 30mins until the 'poll of polls' are announced tonight - I wonder what's going to happen? PM Boris leading a tory majority to self destruction? PM Stalin nationalising everying (inc. Briskoda no doubt), PM Swinston increasing student fees by £6000 like she did last time? Or PM Wee Nicola asking Donald Trump's advice on how to build a border wall?

Edited 12 December, 20196 yr by Guest

🙂 Well you got no.1 in the election unfortunately. Look, I just confirmed half the points you are making about being an outgoing model and quality of the Kamiq. I even made a point about possibly preferring the Kamiq. As of yesterday the brand new Captur (not a facelift) is on the Renault website with apparently plusher interior. The S-line model has pretty much all of the options that I want already But as for the wheels- bigger wheels is a massive no no on virtually all of these cars in reviews and from my own experience so I am pleased the top Renault has stuck with 17". I think this is where I have caused a bit of confusion. Because I had to have the SE Kamiq to get the 17" wheels I had to up spec that which I why it was so expensive. The auto Kamiq SEL and Auto New Captur S line have the same RRP more or less. The SEL doesn't have as standard front and rear sensors and rear camera which I like to have. auto high beam and a spare wheel which in all do only add about £775 so not that different if someone can live with the ride/noise of the bigger wheels. Until the Renault discounts and PCP's come out I agree it will difficult to get an accurate cost comparison. Either way options on an SE do work out as a very expensive way of doing it so shame about the wheels not being an option. FUnnily enough Renault have gone the other way with the bigger wheels being an option, which does perhaps seem more sensible.

 

Edited 13 December, 20196 yr by dcweather

New Brochure price lists have been issued dated 1st February 2020

 

Prices are now £17,700 to £25,955  (before options)

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/discover/download-a-brochure

 

 

On 14/11/2019 at 16:32, silver1011 said:

Yep, if you're fitting OEM wheels and approved tyre sizes and your insurance company is charging a premium, you need to find a better insurance company.

 

If on a PCH or PCP you can do what you like to the car, as long as it is put back to standard before you return it.

No need to change the wheels, just the too low profile tyres which is the reason for the hard ride and  potential for wheel damage.  Some are running on tyres that are so low profile that they appear to be  on the rims. But then of course that's cool isn't it. 

7 hours ago, melbury said:

No need to change the wheels, just the too low profile tyres which is the reason for the hard ride and  potential for wheel damage.

 

The problem you have is that if you only increase the tyre profile without also reducing the alloy wheel diameter is that you'll end up with a larger rolling radius than intended.

 

The results of this would likely affect the accuracy of the speedo and tyre pressure monitoring system, as well as the increased likelihood of the tyres catching on the inner wheel arches.

 

You're also firmly into non-approved wheel and tyre sizes, a combination not tested by Skoda with the usual warranty and insurance complications that they can bring.

 

I'm a big supporter of higher profile tyres with smaller wheels. They don't do much aesthetically but the benefits in terms of ride comfort, wheel and tyre life from potholes and lower running costs make it a trade off worth exploring.

^^^ There are valid points.  But having any affect on the TPMS is not one of them.  You just reset the TPMS and really it does not care if there is a bigger tyre circumference / rolling radius than the OEM tyre sizes.

8 hours ago, silver1011 said:

 

The problem you have is that if you only increase the tyre profile without also reducing the alloy wheel diameter is that you'll end up with a larger rolling radius than intended.

 

The results of this would likely affect the accuracy of the speedo and tyre pressure monitoring system, as well as the increased likelihood of the tyres catching on the inner wheel arches.

 

You're also firmly into non-approved wheel and tyre sizes, a combination not tested by Skoda with the usual warranty and insurance complications that they can bring.

 

I'm a big supporter of higher profile tyres with smaller wheels. They don't do much aesthetically but the benefits in terms of ride comfort, wheel and tyre life from potholes and lower running costs make it a trade off worth exploring.

 

8 hours ago, silver1011 said:

 

The problem you have is that if you only increase the tyre profile without also reducing the alloy wheel diameter is that you'll end up with a larger rolling radius than intended.

 

The results of this would likely affect the accuracy of the speedo and tyre pressure monitoring system, as well as the increased likelihood of the tyres catching on the inner wheel arches.

 

You're also firmly into non-approved wheel and tyre sizes, a combination not tested by Skoda with the usual warranty and insurance complications that they can bring.

 

I'm a big supporter of higher profile tyres with smaller wheels. They don't do much aesthetically but the benefits in terms of ride comfort, wheel and tyre life from potholes and lower running costs make it a trade off worth exploring.

That's all very good  points, but, something would be  far wrong for tyres to be rubbing the arches.  I'm not talking about 65mm or such. If you have 40mm or less and finding them hard,changing to 45 makes a comfortable difference.  The cars in the showroom are likely on 45's

You might be surprised.

 

I am not referring to when the wheels are straight, the conflict tends to occur when the steering is in full lock and/or the suspension is at either end of it's travel.

 

This website is quite useful to check tolerances for various different wheel and tyre configurations...

 

https://www.willtheyfit.com/

 

The warranty and insurance implications still stand though, if the wheel and tyre combination isn't an approved one.

!!!!!!!

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/479306-gemini-wheels