Duel mass wheel

[ATP]

Had my car checked at a garage (2016 mk3 Fabia SE ) and they referred me to the dealer about a System update and a conversion from a duel to a single fly wheel. They said that this is not a common fault yet they have a kit for it, 

 

they said to have my car diagnosed  again with them and they can sent off the information to Skoda so I could get a “good will act” and can get a percentage off the £1000 I was quoted. 
 

just wondering if anyone has been in my situation and out help thanks.

 

 

[ATP]

Also I’ve bought the car 6 months ago from the car people, and done 49,000

[Confused_Cheese]

So, guessing there was a fault with your flywheel and it needs replacing? Is it a diesel? Generally if a car is fitted with a dual mass flywheel as opposed to a single mass flywheel its for a reason. On diesels especially, switching to a single mass flywheel will introduce a lot of vibration through not only the transmission/engine but also the cabin, along with increased noise. There are benfits, but unless you're only after performance i'd think twice about switching from a DMF.

 

Not sure if the TSI engines have a single mass or dual mass on these?

[ATP]

Yes it a 1.4 DTI, it’s the dealer that say they have a kit to change it to a SMF yet say they it’s not a problem with the DMF

[Confused_Cheese]

I'm confused, whats the actual problem they're trying to fix and get a good will charge from Skoda for if its not a problem with the flywheel?

[ATP]

Sorry, I was talk about they said it’s not common on Skoda for the duel mass flywheel to go before so little miles yet they’ve got a kit to fix the problem converting it to a single mass flywheel 

[ettlz]

I'm also confused. Has the DMF actually failed (noise, vibration, trouble starting or changing gear), or is a garage just trying to flog you a mod kit for an uncommon but allegedly-known issue?

Edited 5 December, 2019 by ettlz

[ATP]

sorry if I’m being unclear I’m having trouble working it out myself. Yes DMF has failed. It’s Noisy and there is vibrations. I went to a Skoda approved garage, they referred me to the dealership because I need a S/W update? also a DMF conversion to a single mass.

 

so when I went to the dealership I told them about my issue and they said we can price the parts and labour at £1000 (give or take) they said there is a kit Which I question them saying if you have a kit then surely it’s a ongoing problem with the DMF?. 
 

 

they guy started talking about how he wanted the Car Too have another diagnostics test which would cost me £90, and then he’ll get the information send it off to Skoda and then get a reply if I can get a goodwill charge but obviously I don’t fully trust this? 
 

I was speaking to another mechanic before I actually went to the dealership and he had 25 years of experience with VW parts he suggested to keep a jewel mass fly in it because a single would not be able to comprehend the engine and so fourth

 

like I said I just wanted anyone’s opinion because I feel like going through the dealership it good if they can get this goodwill charge would help and if anyones  been in this situation if they can help me out because I am I’m in a situation where I’ve got a seven grand car that I’ve had for six months, And I’m gonna have to pay another grand and a bit to fix something that shouldn’t really happen on a three-year-old car 

[Confused_Cheese]

That all sounds super strage to me, I can't image Skoda recommending switching from a DMF to a solid flywheel and even providing a kit? Unless there is a TPI (Technical Product Information) for failing DMF's... Maybe its true, but not heard of that before and its a pretty drastic swap. I seriously wouldn't want to switch to a solid flywheel on a diesel if it was designed for a DMF... I have no experience with this particular model, but in others the increase in vibrations and noise for normal driving just isn't worth it unless you want the best performance possible at the sacrifice of it actually being nice to run around town in. Thats not mentioning the potential for increased wear/stress on the gearbox and engine.

 

I'm not too sure how a software update will help with anything to do with the DMF 🤔. I'd be calling them/going back and making sure they give me an exact explaination of whats wrong, what they recommend to fix and why including any TPI etc. If they're asking you for a grand, thats the least they can do!

[ATP]

Yes it is a TPI, I’ve been looking around these forums About a DMF to SMF  all that it says is what you’ve just explained. I just don’t know what to do? try and go with Skoda and try and help them with the pricing or to just go through a mechanic that will fit a new DMF.

 

or I could ask them to just put a dual mass flywheel in, but let’s say it happens again another 10,000 miles down the road 

[Confused_Cheese]

If there is a TPI stating to replace the DMF with a solid flywheel then thats probably what I'd do, I'd assume Skoda would have fully tested and verified the use of a solid flywheel in this application. I'd probably ask for a copy of the TPI though and an exact quote for what they were charging for. I'd also want to make sure they're replacing the clutch and release bearing etc. while the gearbox is out. A large portion of the cost of the job will be labour as removing a gearbox to get to the flywheel is general a big job, so getting any other servicable parts replaced at the same time makes sense especially at 50k to avoid a similar bill later.

 

Thats just my opinion though, I'm not a mechanic.

[ATP]

I’m the same mate have a clue what some of these are talking about I went to scored today at four mate diagnostic and they did it for free because they solve the problem within 10 minutes and didn’t charge me £90 which is a plus. they are sending my details of the Skoda to see if I can get some good will charge, still a possibility nothing could happen. I mentioned about the SMF causing extra Vibrations and making the clutch had to work and my car is sounding rough however he reckons he said to use the SMF because of durability also he added he would be recommended that they put in a new thicker and fatter crankshaft in to compensate there being a SMF.

 

The guy helping us out is sound. he says he’s going to keep me updated to see if Skoda  can help me out with the price as it’s got full Skoda history

 

I was talking to the Specialist mechanic and he was saying that’s he has had these issues with some other Skodas so it is an issue Yet not putting a call back on them.

When I first enquired about it to the dealership the man who sign outside that it’s not really a problem as I stated in my other replies on this forum but talking to the mechanic he he said that he said ongoing problem for the duel mass flywheel to break after low miles 

 

 

thanks for all the replies it’s help me out a lot  because I have zero ****ing clue what They are talking about 

[owilliams1]

Not sure if this helps but here goes, 

 

I have a 2015 1.4 TDI. the preiouvs owner helpfully left all the invoices in the car.

 

So in 2017, at around 50k, it had under warranty;

 

"Supplied and fitted new clutch and flywheel.Test, all ok.

Carried out open filed action 19M5 - Coolant

Carried out open field action 30E1 - Clutch pipe"

 

Thats all it says nothing about dual to single or part numbers etc. But thought it would help know that it has happened to others and they know about the issue.

 

Im on 93k now and no issues yet.

[alltorque]

On 6 December 2019 at 10:33, ATP said:

I’m the same mate have a clue what some of these are talking about I went to scored today at four mate diagnostic and they did it for free because they solve the problem within 10 minutes and didn’t charge me £90 which is a plus. they are sending my details of the Skoda to see if I can get some good will charge, still a possibility nothing could happen. I mentioned about the SMF causing extra Vibrations and making the clutch had to work and my car is sounding rough however he reckons he said to use the SMF because of durability also he added he would be recommended that they put in a new thicker and fatter crankshaft in to compensate there being a SMF.

 

The guy helping us out is sound. he says he’s going to keep me updated to see if Skoda  can help me out with the price as it’s got full Skoda history

 

I was talking to the Specialist mechanic and he was saying that’s he has had these issues with some other Skodas so it is an issue Yet not putting a call back on them.

When I first enquired about it to the dealership the man who sign outside that it’s not really a problem as I stated in my other replies on this forum but talking to the mechanic he he said that he said ongoing problem for the duel mass flywheel to break after low miles 

 

 

thanks for all the replies it’s help me out a lot  because I have zero ****ing clue what They are talking about 

.".......recommended fitting a new thicker and fatter crankshaft......."?  Really? Is such a crank readily available as a Skoda approved part? Sounds awfully expensive to me.