For at least this country and the one I lived in last, a second set of pedals is a legal requirement to be able to take a learner driver out. Since there's someone in the household shortly in this situation, I'm looking for any experiences fitting an additional set. I know this is common on Denmark, Germany, Finland, and I'm reasonably sure Norway and Sweden, too. 

 

I don't need a discussion on the "why?". It's a requirement, end of: at least the brake pedal. I know both Veigel and Braun produce kits; I'm looking for experiences.

Thanks!

 

 - Bret

Sends shivers of fear down my spine just thinking of my wife having access to the brakes in the passenger seat.

There is already a female foot sized indentation in the carpet.

Considering the lack of responses, will you now reconsider your position on not wanting the why questions?

1 hour ago, dan245 said:

Considering the lack of responses, will you now reconsider your position on not wanting the why questions?

 

I had no idea that was a requirement in certain other countries - you learn something new everyday.

 

Question for OP -  if someone did reply to your question, is it legal in those countries for anyone to fit a set of pedals in a car? You aren't thinking of doing this yourself are you?

Edited 12 February, 20206 yr by Guest

At a guess i would think that an insurer in Finland would want to know that dual pedals were fitted by a professional or checked by an authorised fitter.

 

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

At a guess i would think that an insurer in Finland would want to know that dual pedals were fitted by a professional or checked by an authorised fitter.

it has to go through the equivalent of an MoT test station. No certified fitting required.

 

The "Why" is simple: if I wish to allow a non-licence holder to drive the car, I must have at least a brake pedal on the passenger side. All three pedals are standard in driving school cars - from what I can make out - at least in Sweden, Denmark, Germany and Norway.

 

Those are the rules I need to live with... and I don't intend for the person concerned to be purely driving simulators or using expensive driving-school car time, they need to practice in real-life, too. Skidpans and night-driving are included anyway. 

 

 - Bret

So tested by a qualified MOT tester. Same difference.

I can imagine the costs of learning to drive wholly through instructors and their vehicles in Finland to local requirements would be prohibitive.

How much does the kit and installation cost?

 

My daughter returned to South Australia from a stint in the UK with a new partner. He passed his UK drivers license test the day before he left the UK and now drives here having bypassed our local South Australian requirements:

Learner- Road rules test and 75 hours of logged supervised training including 15 hours of night driving.

Provisional P1 (1 year period) - Can drive car solo but 'P' plates must be displayed, zero alcohol and drugs, curfew hours (12am to 5am) under 25 yo, limited passenger carrying, cannot exceed 100kph,  limited vehicle power.

Provisional P2 (2 years) - No plates required but similar rules to above excluding curfew and passenger limitations.

 

From what I can gather the UK requirements are little changed from when I got my first license in 1969 since he got his license after minimal professional lessons and then applied for and passed the test. I think it took longer for his UK drivers license to reach here by post than it did for him to start the process and pass.

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Gerrycan

13 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

At a guess i would think that an insurer in Finland would want to know that dual pedals were fitted by a professional or checked by an authorised fitter.

 

Why?

 

It's completely legal in the UK to take your entire brake system apart and refit it, upgrade it or whatever, with no qualifications, the day after your MOT and then drive the car for the next year.

 

In fact, when anyone has taken their cars for any work, have they ever asked to see the technicians qualifications?

 

Or, even when structural welding is done, ensured the welder is codified and has an appropriate WPS for the work they're doing?

 

When you think about it the UK system is very very relaxed really.  Essentially can do anything, as long as it passes a basic test each year (but not fit the first 3.... Nothing could ever go wrong in those 3 years)

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Alex-W

@Alex-W

It is indeed very relaxed in the UK for MOT's and Road Policing. 

  The driver is responsible to be driving a safe car though. It said all about that when MOT certificates were issued. Bottom of the reverse side of the certificate.

 

Here the OP is talking about a radical modification where from the passengers seat they can take control and brake the car and not by using the Parking / Emergency brake that is standard on the car.

 

As to upgrading and modifying your brake system from standard or suspension then your insurer is interested and if you do not do the work competently like some muppets then there can be consequences.  Like for the guy that lifted his Land Rover badly and killed his children in the road accident.

If you  fit Dual Controls to your car for some one in a passenger seat you need to inform your Insurance Company and they might well want an Engineers inspection and report.

 

The UK MOT is relaxed as your backside needs to be or have soap on a rope if it all goes t!ts up.

 

In the UK you can hire a car with Dual Controls from around £9-£11 an hour.

http://blog.passmefast.co.uk/driving-instructors/dual-control-cars

 

http://he-mandualcontrols.co.uk/site-elements/resources/use_and_abuse_of_dual_controls.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot