https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hyundai-and-kia-seal-platform-deal-new-ev-firm

 

What a 'simply clever' corporation.  Get in early before the competition.

As they did with Arrival in the UK.

Skoda boss Bernhard Maier stated that of the 30 new models being launched between now and 2022 there will be 10 hybrid or pure EV. However he did express concern that public access to chargers varied greatly at the moment depending upon where the customers lived. For example in the Netherlands there is a charging station every 3km, in Germany every 20km yet in the Czech Republic every 170km which may effect take up of pure EV's in some European countries.

The RAC said that the average distance between EV charging points in England was 3.8 miles apart.

Or that is the Department of Transport figures which is even worse, someone gets paid very well to actually use an abacus.

 

Shows that averages is a load of sh!te.  Shows the RAC are a business and not really a club.

 

4 years ago as well and the Government listen to this rubbish.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36102259

Then they say about the distance between petrol stations and Applecross.  That is in Scotland....

 

 

Edited 12 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

There seems to be a general acceptance from web sources that 2023 will be the key year - EV batteries will drop to $100/kWh - and will mark a tipping point towards EV takeup.

 

"According to BloombergNEF, lithium-ion battery prices were priced above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, but have now fallen to just $156/kWh. That’s a 87% reduction in real terms achieved — not just through volume growth in the EV market but also through continued penetration of high energy density cathodes.

According to the new energy research firm, by 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, considered by many to be the price point at which electric vehicles reach parity with gas and diesel-powered vehicles."

 

This claim is echoed by Delloite, with The Grauniad claiming "2020 will be the year of the EV".

 

I'm not in a position to comment on the accuracy - or otherwise - of these reports but I do note that the figure of "four years" seems to feature in a number of  predictive pieces prior to the most recent in December of 2019 ...

 

 

15 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Skoda boss Bernhard Maier stated that of the 30 new models being launched between now and 2022 there will be 10 hybrid or pure EV. However he did express concern that public access to chargers varied greatly at the moment depending upon where the customers lived. For example in the Netherlands there is a charging station every 3km, in Germany every 20km yet in the Czech Republic every 170km which may effect take up of pure EV's in some European countries.

Here's an idea: manufacturers lobby govt and provide funding to get more charger installed, to get more EV acceptance and thus accelerate ICE decline........ 

 

Nope, can't see it happening with ICE manufacturers who also happen to assemble cars. All I can see is likes of RAC, complain and whine about barriers to EV acceptance. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-51474769

So today the talk again is about a ban on Petrols, Diesels and hybrids being 2032 for ending the sale of in the UK.  England / Wales / Northern Ireland, as Scotland is already at 2032.

The Ford boss says they can build the cars.  That's about it.

 

He did not sound that positive about vans and commercials.  

 

Today because of Weather / Snow warnings in Scotland a BBC Good Morning Scotland Radio presenter did ask about electric cars and being stuck, keeping warm etc.

The lady is smart.

She probably knows as important as a charged up battery is that people are getting new EV's and actually Hybrids or really pretty hopeless ECO tyres along with many Petrol & Diesel cars.

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

16 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Then they say about the distance between petrol stations and Applecross.  That is in Scotland...

Bing says the RAC are wrong. The first distance I checked between petrol stations is 21.5 miles (and distance between charging points there is very similar if and only if there actually is a public charging point in Lochboisdale).

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

the talk again is about a ban on Petrols, Diesels and hybrids being 2032 for ending the sale of in the UK

Yeah, but that's yet another "BoJo number pulled out of his anal sphincter".

I think the Department of transport works on 'as a crow flies distances'  and ignores miles by road. 

3 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Today because of Weather / Snow warnings in Scotland a BBC Good Morning Scotland Radio presenter did ask about electric cars and being stuck, keeping warm etc.

The lady is smart.

She probably knows as important as a charged up battery is that people are getting new EV's and actually Hybrids or really pretty hopeless ECO tyres along with many Petrol & Diesel cars.

Life with EV in the arctic circle: 

https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-model-3-arctic-circle-winter/

 

People's fears are misplaced due to not being informed. 

Life in the Arctic Circle is extreme. being stuck on a wee back road in the South West of Scotland and getting rescued by the mountain rescue from your Zoe, Leaf etc, or 2 days of the A93's Snow Gates being closed so you can not get 20 miles to your destination and needing to then get to a EV charge point before doing an extra 90 miles or more to get to someplace where there is no charger is an issue.

If you lease your car or get it from your employer on ECO tyres you and they need to think on.

 

If people do not heed weather warnings then they best have stuff in the car to stay warm if there is no starting the engine to stay warm.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-51459997

 

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

It's all about being prepared. People shouldn't put eco-summer tyres on their cars and expect it to drive in snow. The type of car doesn't matter, there will always be Darwin award winners. 

30 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

People shouldn't put eco-summer tyres on their cars and expect it to drive in snow

Did the mentions of company cars and bean counters pass you by?

@wyx087 In Scotland a Minister for Transport or Investments or whatever will talk about winter readiness and how many millions go into it.

This year has been pretty mild in the main and not any widespread snow yet there are Police Vehicles even in rural areas on totally unsuitable tyres for winter conditions in Scotland.

They never learn in Procurement.

 

The skiers and their cars have final been making it up to Glenshee Ski centre and there are runs open.

It can be wacky races come closing time as they head back down north or south as plenty run the tyres the lease / company cars come with.

Charging points at Braemar and Blairgowrie are certainly limited & up on the hill then nothing. 

Not that great really for those wanting to enjoy Winter Sports Holidays in the area and driving an EV.

Edited 13 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Yes, I did miss that point regarding govt bean counters. 

 

For private owners, and fleet drivers, you can still put winter tyres on a leased car can't you? 

 

But point still stands. Type of powertrain does not have any relationship between whether needs rescued or not. 

 

 

Remaining factual, I tried to look up number of hours ICE car can stay warm for a given amount of fuel left. Let's say 22 litres, half of Octavia. Can't find the rate at which ICE cars burn fuel to keep warm. 

In EV, I know on coldest days while driving about 1 kW is used to keep cabin heating countinously blowing warm air. If you have a 55 kWh car like Model 3 standard range, if stranded with 50%, you can stay warm with continous heating for over 24 hours. 

 

Then, I see recommendations to run engine for 15min at a time to save fuel. But one problem I can see is that ICE needs time to warm up, and 12v battery drain when doing this.

Whereas with EV, you can get heat out of vents very quickly after start-up, using this method you can possibly extend time in EV by a higher percentage. 

@wyx087

I think you have never had to stay in a vehicle overnight when snowbound.

People with fuel sometimes share it, take diesel from van or HGV tanks to help those most in need.

2 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@wyx087

I think you have never had to stay in a vehicle overnight when snowbound.

People with fuel sometimes share it, take diesel from van or HGV tanks to help those most in need.

You are very correct. Luckily I've never been stranded or far from civilisation. Sharing of fuel is a good point I hadn't considered. 

 

The Sion can be used to charge other cars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sono_Motors_Sion#Current_storage_(biSono)

There's no technical reason why this can't be done by all EV's. But then, you would need a very long cable if both cars cannot move. Unfortunately you can't pure electricity into a jerry can. 

55 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

fleet drivers, you can still put winter tyres on a leased car

As earlier, only if the bean counters agree. Even then, what effect will the change of tyres have on energy dissipated at the wheels? (serious question; I don't know)

9 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Even then, what effect will the change of tyres have on energy dissipated at the wheels? (serious question; I don't know)

Energy dissipated at the wheels??

 

I thought we are talking about not getting stranded by chaging to more suitable tyres, and when getting stranded, how to last until rescue arrive.