Rock up and in no time you are ready to roll again. 

This is the Bon Scott statue.

George you seem to be on a promotional Tour of Scotland. I hope the Scottish Tourist Board are paying for the electric if not free accommodation. Should have mentioned earlier the Corsa looks sharp in that Silver colour.

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I fully intend getting towards the 20,000 miles a year i can do with this car.  Get places more often that i used to go to regularly when the cost of fuel seemed to not matter,

So Free electricity for now, but a better charging infrastructure is needed.

I have done a trip 3 times this week of 150 mies that sometimes i do twice a week & in my diesel @ 25mpg costs £30 a time for 150 miles.

 

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What you save in Petrol or Diesel gets you a Hotel room, even B&B's and you can charge there overnight maybe or get free charging from ChargePlace Scotland.

 

Edited 16 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

1 minute ago, e-Roottoot said:

I fully intend getting towards the 20,000 miles a year i can do with this car.  Get places more often that i used to go to regularly when the cost of fuel seemed to not matter,

So Free electricity for now, but a better charging infrastructure is needed.

I have done a trip 3 times this week of 150 mies that sometimes i do twice a week & in my diesel @ 25mpg costs £30 a time for 150 miles.

 

We should all move to Scotland to share that FREE electric?

The Gent that came to charge while i was there was on holiday from England and had paid £20 to get the charging card to charge free.

It had not arrived before he left home, but you can phone and get the charger started.

 

Electricity is not free, English Tax Payers and households are paying for it in Scotland, but then Scotland hosted the Nuclear Deterrent, has the clean up to be part off, paid for the nuclear energy and requirement for treating for weapons as well,

and the Electricity Tariffs for homes and business's in Scotland north of Perth are around the highest in the UK, along with around Newcastle and the North East of England.

 

English Communities and MP's in some areas dd not want Wind Farms or Solar Farms, or the Fracking or Nuclear so if Wales, Scotland and Ireland North & South has to be sure that England can stay energised then the Electricity Users in England will be paying others to help reduce pollution and penalties for not meeting what David Cameron and other Prime Ministers agreed to.

 

 

Edited 16 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Family I know who moved from Milton Keynes to Leicester in 2007 have just spent a week in Scotland (not sure where they went haven't spoken to them since they returned) on my recommendation. Our recent trip to the Lake District and Gretna (retail therapy at Gateway shopping centre) cost just £59.93 of Tesco's finest for the 507 mile break.

No such thing as free electric... We all end up paying the cost! Nice to save but whats the cost of the car? Twice the petrol version usually! 😀

 

Annoyingly, many Leccie outlets down here in the Smoke will only let you charge for an hour, then you will get a fine, automatically, if you stay longer and thats for PAID FOR electricity!

 

e-Roottoot, how long does the Corsa take to charge from flat, if you don't mind me asking? Standard and fast would be nice to know.

 

Oh and lets hope the batteries last longer then Bon Scott, before they die and need replacing!

Edited 16 August, 20205 yr by mrgf

1 hour ago, mrgf said:

Nice to save but whats the cost of the car? Twice the petrol version usually! 

Remember to compare same level of equipment, not the rock bottom poverty spec tiny engine against well equipped and quick electric versions.

 

1 hour ago, mrgf said:

how long does the Corsa take to charge from flat, if you don't mind me asking? Standard and fast would be nice to know.

Why does it matter for standard 7kW speed? It's not like you need to stand like a dummy, squeezing the trigger and smelling fumes.

 

The question only matters if you intend to use the battery to flat everyday. If you drive 100 miles a day, the better question is how long does it take to recharge 100 miles. Answer is just over 3.5 hours at home while you sleep or at work while you do something productive (100 miles, 4 mi/kWh => 25 kWh; 7kW charging speed => 3.5 hours)

 

1 hour ago, mrgf said:

Oh and lets hope the batteries last longer then Bon Scott, before they die and need replacing!

Battery will outlast the car around it.

 

My Nissan Leaf is 6 years old this year. Unlike what Clarkson said, its battery is still very healthy and giving me more than enough range.

@mrgf

If the batteries are still usable in 34 years for what ever or the materials are back in the ground that will be pretty good going.

 

Lots of EV's will be on the roads doing miles cheaply or parked not doing much and owned by Motability for 3 or 5 years.

(Sold used in less than 3 years if the person leasing passes on..)

So the person leasing can pay from £0.00 - £3,500 Advance payment, and then the £62.25 a week.

156 X £62.25 (it does go up a but at budgets.)  £9,711 for the 3 years.

That is the same as a ICE vehicle would cost and you need to buy petrol or diesel on top.

 

The Battery Warranties / Guarantee of life of amount of charge capacity is pretty good and if renting / leasing a car that is the next owners peace of mind cover. 

 

Rapid charge to 98% on a 50kWh charger about 50 minutes and that gives about 180 miles sensible driving.

100kWh charger about 30 minutes,  and the same 180 plus, and with 100% in over 200 miles.

 

100% charge at a start and driving on fast roads, stuff in the car, A/C on and 140-155 miles without running down to empty.

 

Pollution is certainly not free to UK citizens or residents if the Countries do not meet the reductions on emissions.

Getting  Free Electricity just now is easy, as in you are not flashing the card or cash and paying directly,  then you stick up a solar charger, a battery storage etc, 

So Electricity is Free enough for many, as is Hydrogen.  Producing it is dead cheap in parts of the UK and the only issue is the government in Westminster messed about delaying Interconnectors and the Hydrogen productions.

Scotland has plenty wind, water, sun and forward thinking business's.

 

Much cheapness for a runabout to the shops and stuff.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/482927-shocking-an-early-ev-rot-box-mitsubishi-vid

 

 

 

If they explained better they could tell you that it does not require 'Braking' to regenerate / charge the battery.

Just taking your foot off the accelerator and letting the car go down hill has the battery charging.

If you have climbed high up and are descending roads or rolling along singing a song the battery can be charging.

It puts back into the battery in 'D' with no toe on the accelerator and more in 'B' and more still touching the brake pedal.

Yesterday i did 9,800 ft of ascent and 9,600 ft of descent and over 150 miles used 60% of the battery from full to end of the journey.

 

 

 

Edited 17 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

On 16/08/2020 at 12:45, wyx087 said:

Remember to compare same level of equipment, not the rock bottom poverty spec tiny engine against well equipped and quick electric versions.

 

Why does it matter for standard 7kW speed? It's not like you need to stand like a dummy, squeezing the trigger and smelling fumes.

 

The question only matters if you intend to use the battery to flat everyday. If you drive 100 miles a day, the better question is how long does it take to recharge 100 miles. Answer is just over 3.5 hours at home while you sleep or at work while you do something productive (100 miles, 4 mi/kWh => 25 kWh; 7kW charging speed => 3.5 hours)

 

Battery will outlast the car around it.

 

My Nissan Leaf is 6 years old this year. Unlike what Clarkson said, its battery is still very healthy and giving me more than enough range.

I ask as I am a driving instructor and drive more miles then you might think.  In addition to that, I live in a ground floor flat in East London (Close to the City) But cannot park close enough to plug in at home... I even asked the council to remove a bollard and install a parking bay on the blocks frontal concourse, to facilitate their. They said they would consider it and let me know. Now, despite there being only 4 ground floor flats who could benefit from this (Clearing 4 spaces on the street by default) And considering I am the only ground floor flat owner (Leasehold) Who drives anyway, The authorities response was that, "No, they cannot authorise that as it will set a precedent and others may then want the same thing"!  For Fluck's sake, is that not what they should be wanting? Progress, cleaner charging/emissions, clearer roads or freed-up spaces, and the rent of the bay, on top of that!

 

Nope, they said they "MAY" be able to install extra plug-in points along the street in the future but that will not mean that I am able to get to the point whenever I need to. Plus, as mentioned, many local charging points only allow an hour to charge, with fines issued automatically. 

 

P.S. All this was under the notion that I would remove a diesel from the road, in order to run the electric car.

You mention the battery is healthy after six years but if charged properly, driven decently etc then I would expect an absolute minimum of ten years before experiencing an issue with them but I would almost certainly think that they will degrade at least a small amount over that time. From new, to now, do you still get the same mileage per charge or are you charging more frequently, despite still being happy with it? 

A 4 year old video.  (David Young a friend who has sadly passed on.)

 

 

 

13 hours ago, mrgf said:

I ask as I am a driving instructor and drive more miles then you might think.  In addition to that, I live in a ground floor flat in East London (Close to the City) But cannot park close enough to plug in at home...

Your situation would mean on-street charging or only use rapid charging. Latter is a hassle and cancel out all financial benefits of EV. Usually takes 30-45min to charge to 80%. 

For slower on-street charging, it will always take hours so it's best to do it overnight, hence it doesn't matter how long it takes. 

 

14 hours ago, mrgf said:

You mention the battery is healthy after six years but if charged properly, driven decently etc then I would expect an absolute minimum of ten years before experiencing an issue with them but I would almost certainly think that they will degrade at least a small amount over that time. From new, to now, do you still get the same mileage per charge or are you charging more frequently, despite still being happy with it? 

A very reasonable requirement, 10 years is typical amount of time to run a car. 

 

Considering all car manufacturers give 8 years warranty on their batteries these days, I think having the battery powering the car for 15 years is zero problem. Remember, most car manufacturer only gives 3 years warranty on the engine, we still run the car far beyond that period. 

 

For battery health, my car is only a single story to tell. I implore you to research EV battery warranties to see current state of batteries. 

 

You won't find many older cars than 2014. 2014 is still considered very early for EV's. It has first generation EV battery and currently it retains ~85% of its original range. So yes, they degrade, but considering the money saved from not needing to service the powertrain, fuel cost saved over 6 years, the slight degradation is acceptable. 

 

No, I don't need to charge it more frequently because I didn't run it down to last 20% previously, now just dips below 20% sometime. 

 

But when choosing EV, I'd buy 150% of your daily range. Use EPA rating as European WLTP rating is not very useful. NEDC is totally useless.