As I understand it the DSG on earlier Yeti's was seven speed

Is the DSG on the later models the same or is it a six speed ?

Am contemplating getting a low mileage '66 plate DSG - and my understanding is that the VAG seven boxes were more prone to problems than the six ?

Any advice welcomed ?

Edited 4 September, 20205 yr by stonyb1
to clarify statement

Smaller capacity's petrol engines have 7 speed dry clutch, diesels and 1.8 petrol have 6 speed wet clutch gearboxes.
Apparently the 1.6 TDI had a dry 7 speed box but I've never seen one of those in a Yeti.

The one I'm contemplating is a petrol 1.2 Monte Carlo 110 bhp.

It would be my first venture into automatics - about which I know sod all.....

1 hour ago, stonyb1 said:

The one I'm contemplating is a petrol 1.2 Monte Carlo 110 bhp.

It would be my first venture into automatics - about which I know sod all.....

 

Then it will have a 7-speed, dry clutch transmission.  Do not confuse this with the "old" type of automatic gearbox,  which has a fluid flywheel and no clutch as such  (colloquially called a "slush-box").  These were fine in their way,  but because fluid flywheels are always "slipping" they are not so fuel efficient,  and and could be very thirsty.  The DSG transmission, on the other hand,  is essentially a manual gearbox coupled to the engine through a clever double clutch,  and the clutch operation and gear shifting is done automatically.  In practice it gives almost imperceptible gear changes,  very smooth,  and can give even better fuel economy than the same car with a manual box. Incidentally,  the DSG can be used as a manual if you wish.  What you have picked up about 7-speed boxes being less reliable than 6-speed ones,  is actually about the wet clutches versus the dry clutches.  The gearboxes themselves are equally reliable.  The dry clutches do suffer more wear than the wet ones because the "slip" relies on plate to lining friction (just as in a conventional clutch) while the wet clutches rely on oil-shear instead.  But the dry clutches do not wear any more rapidly than a conventional one would... conventional clutches are dry, too.    The DSG clutches are,  however,  very complex double clutches,  machined to extremely fine tolerances,  and some have had problems;  remember,  though,  that there are millions and millions of these units out there giving no trouble at all....don't let the scare-mongers frighten you away!  The 7-speed DSG,  dry clutches and all,  is superb,  and you'll love it!.

I'm not 100% sure the Monte Carlo was available with the 1.2 110bhp petrol engine.

 

Link suggests the MC was only available with 2.0 169bhp diesel engine and 4WD.

DSG variants of this engine would have the six speed, wet clutch gearbox.

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/yeti/89175/skoda-yeti-monte-carlo-review

Robjon - I will certainly check it out with the dealer but I see that the Autoexpress link dates from 2014 so maybe the Yeti 1.2 Monte Carlo post dates that.

 

Urrell & Zarniwoop - thanks for your replies and clarification.

Edited 4 September, 20205 yr by stonyb1

Yes the Yeti was available as a 1.2TSi 110PS Monte Carlo and it will have the 7 Speed, dry clutch DSG DQ200.

 

Check there no clutch judder from start and the changes should be quick and crisp with no clutch slip.  They are the two main issues this box sufferes with.

Logiclee - thanks for heads up - hope to test drive tomorrow so will watch out for those issues.

6 hours ago, Robjon said:

I'm not 100% sure the Monte Carlo was available with the 1.2 110bhp petrol engine.

 

Link suggests the MC was only available with 2.0 169bhp diesel engine and 4WD.

DSG variants of this engine would have the six speed, wet clutch gearbox.

From the brochure.
2 wheel drive version.

4 wheel drive

Edited 4 September, 20205 yr by Urrell

@stonyb1

Any update on the car, did you see it and what was it?

Regret to say I didn't try the DSG - I chickened out as after 50 yrs of manual, when faced with prospect of re-training my driving habits, the thought was too much - old habits die hard, very old habits even harder ...........

We've just changed to a DSG type car and it took us about 5 miles to get used to the new "system".

I changed to DSG after almost 50 years of manual.  As with Graham, it took me about five miles to get used to it.

 

After six years (and two cars) with DSG I would not want to revert to manual.

 

 

Llanigraham and Robjon - I may reconsider and have a go then - but my 50 years of manual should in fact read as 65 yrs !

32 minutes ago, stonyb1 said:

Llanigraham and Robjon - I may reconsider and have a go then - but my 50 years of manual should in fact read as 65 yrs !

 

Definitely give it a go!  Just "glue" your left foot to the footrest, move the gear lever into D, then accelerate and brake as you would with a manual.  After five miles or so, I can almost guarantee you'll be hooked 

It took a few weeks for my left foot to stop twitching to do something after going dsg in my 2017 yeti, and to learn to have confidence in it. No going back now, will never have another manual car again by choice.

I now drive a dsg Karoq where it is combined with auto handbrake and is even easier to drive. Unlike the Yeti now no need to keep my foot on the brake when stationary to stop the car trying to engage the clutch. I now know that was a feature sadly missed on the Yeti dsg.

 

kenfowler: - what are the pros/cons of putting into N or some other setting, when stationary (waiting for T Lights or in a queue etc) rather than keeping foot on brake pedal ?

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by stonyb1
checking my post

None that I know of. I would want the brakes on in case hit from behind or start to roll on a slope. If going to the trouble of shifting out of drive for a longer stop I would put in Park and possibly even apply the handbrake.

The only reason I can see to have neutral is for the mechanic during a service, or possibly towing?

Incidentally what do you do if broken down. I would think you can't get out of park so the vehicle can be moved?

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by kenfowler3966

Putting in N and applying the parking brake at extended stops or not to have the brake lights on is exactly the same as in any car, and according to the UK highway code.

 

(Putting in P means going through N & R to get into and out of P.)

 

When you have a DSG vehicle with Autohold some have the brake lights on and some do not.

The car holds where it is and you are still in D and the Stop / Start can have the engine off or on as you choose.

You do not need to apply the e-Brake / Parking Brake, autohold is enabled, then it functions by pressing the brake pedal harder than just slowing or stopping.

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Autohold in Skoda's is an automatic foot on the brake pedal.  

 

Brake pressure is kept applied to all four brakes.

The brake lights stay on.

Gearbox stays in D.

 

VAG only fit it on models with Electric Parking Brake as the EPB is used as a failsafe if autohold is disengaged due to one of it's safety parameters (Time, unbuckle seat belt, open drivers door, engine off etc)

 

Only downside is if the brakes are very hot it can increase front brake disc issues if you come to a stop with hot brakes and the front brakes remain clamped on.

 

(Not all VW's keep the brake lights on, my Passat didn't)

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 September, 20205 yr by logiclee