12 hours ago, assybish said:

There is a 3rd TSB stating that the ECU must be updated or premature failure of the catalytic converter will result!

 

 

Mines recently had that - it was listed on the invoice as a "software update to prevent premature failure of the..." (I thought DPF being a diesel). Either way, that would imply I've been driving for 45k without the update, so I wonder if it failed tomorrow if I'd have any come back. Any more info on where to find the TSB's? Just for interesting bed time reading?

 

tnx

 

Nick

You can get a full list of TSB/TPI's against your VIN from Skoda: https://erwin.skoda-auto.cz/

 

An hour and a 'print to pdf' function should be enough to get most the data for your car. There are also workshop manuals, wiring diagrams etc too

If your nearest dealer wants £1000 to change belts then try another dealer as should be more like £500-600

 

If there are service and software updates, I would have thought they would be free, with Skoda picking up the cost.

 

Its now March, and if it is a cold weather problem, do you really need to get it done this side of October, if you are having to pay for it.  Although if you are claiming goodwill sooner claim is done the better.

 

Skoda did offer some form of warranty extension during first lockdown when dealerships were closed, not sure if you could argue same reasoning now.   However something is bit odd in that you have a euro6 diesel for only 6500 miles per year which is not normally recommended, did a Skoda salesperson mis-sell you a car which would strengthen any goodwill request.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

Software update should be free of charge as it's a known issue.  What makes you say that dealers dont use genuine parts?  They are obliged to use the correct parts are they not.  They dont have skoda stamped on them (not all anyway).  Also the Skoda listed prices for timing belt + kit is something like £450 or £500 with water pump.  Should all be 'genuine parts'.

 

I would suggest you question the quote as part of your discussion with the dealer.

We are .. thanks  

2 hours ago, NikTheGeek said:

 

Mines recently had that - it was listed on the invoice as a "software update to prevent premature failure of the..." (I thought DPF being a diesel). Either way, that would imply I've been driving for 45k without the update, so I wonder if it failed tomorrow if I'd have any come back. Any more info on where to find the TSB's? Just for interesting bed time reading?

 

tnx

 

Nick

I am getting them hard copies .. will scan and post here when I receive

17 minutes ago, SurreyJohn said:

If your nearest dealer wants £1000 to change belts then try another dealer as should be more like £500-600

 

If there are service and software updates, I would have thought they would be free, with Skoda picking up the cost.

 

Its now March, and if it is a cold weather problem, do you really need to get it done this side of October, if you are having to pay for it.  Although if you are claiming goodwill sooner claim is done the better.

 

Skoda did offer some form of warranty extension during first lockdown when dealerships were closed, not sure if you could argue same reasoning now.   However something is bit odd in that you have a euro6 diesel for only 6500 miles per year which is not normally recommended, did a Skoda salesperson mis-sell you a car which would strengthen any goodwill request.

 

 

 

 

The car was bought brand new and has actually only done 16900 miles and is 3 years and 3 months since my wife bought it . 

1 hour ago, langers2k said:

You can get a full list of TSB/TPI's against your VIN from Skoda: https://erwin.skoda-auto.cz/

 

An hour and a 'print to pdf' function should be enough to get most the data for your car. There are also workshop manuals, wiring diagrams etc too

Thanks

This is the squealing sound converted from video. The longer piece is 1st time start up and the screaming appears at the end. The shorter piece is the same video but a few seconds later . Anyone able to decide if this is the cold start timing belt issue due to tensioner/belt incompatibility reported under TSB or accessory belt ? Thanks

20210303_102956.mp3 20210303_103141.mp3

22 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

The timing belt isn't the only belt, there's also an auxiliary belt that drives e.g. alternator - has that been eliminated as a possible cause of the 'screaming' noise?

our garage cannot yet distinguish .. but are concerned about the TSB re: premature timing belt issues due to belt/tensioner compatibilty issues resulting in screaming only when cold ... I have posted the audio later if you are able to listen.

20 hours ago, ords said:

If possible convert the video to mp3 format & post that. The file size will be much smaller

I have done this and posted later in the thread ... thanks for listening

6 hours ago, langers2k said:

You can get a full list of TSB/TPI's against your VIN from Skoda: https://erwin.skoda-auto.cz/

 

An hour and a 'print to pdf' function should be enough to get most the data for your car. There are also workshop manuals, wiring diagrams etc too

 

It's a sign you are getting old when you think "oh, great, that looks interesting" and you go to the site to find that your browser already has a stored username and password because you've use it before!!

5 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

If your nearest dealer wants £1000 to change belts then try another dealer as should be more like £500-600

 

If there are service and software updates, I would have thought they would be free, with Skoda picking up the cost.

 

Its now March, and if it is a cold weather problem, do you really need to get it done this side of October, if you are having to pay for it.  Although if you are claiming goodwill sooner claim is done the better.

 

Skoda did offer some form of warranty extension during first lockdown when dealerships were closed, not sure if you could argue same reasoning now.   However something is bit odd in that you have a euro6 diesel for only 6500 miles per year which is not normally recommended, did a Skoda salesperson mis-sell you a car which would strengthen any goodwill request.

 

 

 

 

We've been shielding for a year so the mileage is well below what it should be for our 'normal ' lifestyle whatever that is  now...

To me that sounds like a slipping auxillary belt. If it was a tensioner or adjuster it would make the noise all the time. Having had one when I changed my own timing belt a few years ago. 

The auxillary belt should be on a self adjuster and I would ask the garage to check the tension of the belt, as it might not be tensioned enough. Equally for the cost of the aux belt it might be worth having a new one one fitted. 

Yes - this is where I'm going with this; sounds like a self-adjuster is not playing nicely and slipping.  Agree that is also the aux belt (it wouldn't be the timing belt).

3 minutes ago, Ecomatt said:

To me that sounds like a slipping auxillary belt. If it was a tensioner or adjuster it would make the noise all the time. Having had one when I changed my own timing belt a few years ago. 

The auxillary belt should be on a self adjuster and I would ask the garage to check the tension of the belt, as it might not be tensioned enough. Equally for the cost of the aux belt it might be worth having a new one one fitted. 

That's exactly what I thought hence blipping the engine. BUT the tech says the tech service bulletin and an accompanying video is saying that the timing belt for this engine # may have issues that appear as a screaming belt only when the engine is cold .. hence the concern. This is the Sk

oda video they send to technicians who experience belt scream on this engine  

If the timing belt was slipping, then you would have a catosphic engine failure due to the position of the valves and pistons all coliding together.  I ~know~ the TPI says there is an adjuster issue, but that is not what is being presented here.  The TPI for the timing/cam-belt exhibits an issue with the belt 'catching' the side of the adjuster and causing it rattle like mad. 

 

So - therefore, it is belt related and a good chance is that it is aux-belt related.  The technician needs to have a proper look and not just look at the TPI's, cos that won't fix it.

1 hour ago, varaderoguy said:

If the timing belt was slipping, then you would have a catosphic engine failure due to the position of the valves and pistons all coliding together.  I ~know~ the TPI says there is an adjuster issue, but that is not what is being presented here.  The TPI for the timing/cam-belt exhibits an issue with the belt 'catching' the side of the adjuster and causing it rattle like mad. 

 

So - therefore, it is belt related and a good chance is that it is aux-belt related.  The technician needs to have a proper look and not just look at the TPI's, cos that won't fix it.

I understand what you are saying but the video I posted  is from Skoda as part of the TSB and it clearly shows screaming not  clattering and rattling . It sounds very like the mp3 files I posted of our car .That's why the tech and I are so wary .  Ignore TSB and just do accessory belt .. get cambelt failure  and neither the garage of Skoda will want to know. Last time he tried the damn thing didn't scream as the engine was warm. Which also fits the TSB ,, he is going to try again in a day or so to see if the scream will repeat with the covers off . It is a bummer :( 

Okay. Fair enough. As long as they are happy to cover the cost of all the belt replacements.

25 minutes ago, varaderoguy said:

Okay. Fair enough. As long as they are happy to cover the cost of all the belt replacements.

we don't know until we ask Skoda UK to foot the bill .. hence the post by my wife asking if anyone else had had this problem and success with claiming from Skoda UK for an issue hidden by a TSB rather than a recall notice in such a low mileage car. I have lost all faith with Skoda and Skoda franchisees over the last 3 years .  Until we both bought VrS based on a Octavia we owned for years I thought Skoda were ok but now less so .. nice car .. Not as nice as Audi but less ££££ but the Skoda care and warranties seem like wet tissue :(  Thanks very much for your comments .. appreciated 

 

Edited 8 March, 20215 yr by assybish

29 minutes ago, assybish said:

I understand what you are saying but the video I posted  is from Skoda as part of the TSB and it clearly shows screaming not  clattering and rattling . It sounds very like the mp3 files I posted of our car .That's why the tech and I are so wary .  Ignore TSB and just do accessory belt .. get cambelt failure  and neither the garage of Skoda will want to know. Last time he tried the damn thing didn't scream as the engine was warm. Which also fits the TSB ,, he is going to try again in a day or so to see if the scream will repeat with the covers off . It is a bummer :( 

Am I missing something, but, why doesn’t the technician remove the auxiliary belt and run the engine to see if it still makes the noise ?

If it doesn’t then it’s not the timing belt.

5 minutes ago, classic said:

Am I missing something, but, why doesn’t the technician remove the auxiliary belt and run the engine to see if it still makes the noise ?

If it doesn’t then it’s not the timing belt.

that's next step .. the issue at preset is getting the screaming to repeat in the garage .. he heard it in the car park but not on the ramp .. 

We are waiting for him to re examine the car from cold part stripped to see if the scream repeats . Obviously the more stripping the more the cost to us . As ever intermittent issues especially only when cold are a bugger to chase . :(

Edited 8 March, 20215 yr by assybish

Skoda will pay for work against the cambelt; that TPI is a known issue and can be acted upon. Thats 2hrs work just to unbolt that lot. You could then negotiate replacement of the aux belt to be done whilst you are there. If it is faulty, Skoda UK should cover the whole bill.

11 hours ago, varaderoguy said:

Skoda will pay for work against the cambelt; that TPI is a known issue and can be acted upon. Thats 2hrs work just to unbolt that lot. You could then negotiate replacement of the aux belt to be done whilst you are there. If it is faulty, Skoda UK should cover the whole bill.

Do you know that from your own experience please?  I'm planning to contact them in the next day or so so possibly need some leverage.  thanks

29 minutes ago, trishaB said:

12 hours ago, varaderoguy said:

 

Do you know that from your own experience please? 

Yes. This came from the work they did to my TDI190 engine for the cam belt that was catching on the tensioner.