28 minutes ago, darkace said:

Hey,

 

It seems odd that you can only get map updates twice a year.

 

What if you don't drive the car during that month?

 

You are sure about it?

 

If that's truly the case, I find it a very flawed design.

 

 

I do know that with the older system of downloading updates from the Skoda Portal, the mapping was updated on the Portal twice a year. The difference being that the info was always on the Portal, so you could access it at any time.

The difference now is that, although the maps are still getting updated twice a year, we now can't access it at will, we have to wait until it's sent to us.

Now this is a guess, but I assume that if you don't go near your car during the time the updates are being sent, the fact is, it will still have been sent, so I imagine that when you next switch on the car the update will appear on your screen and you'll choose whether to allow the download or not.

As I said in my last post, it may be that the map update will take place in the background without you knowing, although I doubt that it will. It's these little worthwhile snippets of information that I've found it hard to come by, so we're just going to have to wait and see.

It might be worthwhile seeking out the head technician in your dealership or having an online chat with Skoda.

I did read earlier today in a previous thread on these pages, that sometime in the future, you might once again be able to download map updates from the Skoda Portal, but that seems to be speculation currently.

Okay, thank you!

 

 

3 hours ago, olderman1 said:

 

 

I do know that with the older system of downloading updates from the Skoda Portal, the mapping was updated on the Portal twice a year. The difference being that the info was always on the Portal, so you could access it at any time.

The difference now is that, although the maps are still getting updated twice a year, we now can't access it at will, we have to wait until it's sent to us.

Now this is a guess, but I assume that if you don't go near your car during the time the updates are being sent, the fact is, it will still have been sent, so I imagine that when you next switch on the car the update will appear on your screen and you'll choose whether to allow the download or not.

As I said in my last post, it may be that the map update will take place in the background without you knowing, although I doubt that it will. It's these little worthwhile snippets of information that I've found it hard to come by, so we're just going to have to wait and see.

It might be worthwhile seeking out the head technician in your dealership or having an online chat with Skoda.

I did read earlier today in a previous thread on these pages, that sometime in the future, you might once again be able to download map updates from the Skoda Portal, but that seems to be speculation currently.

Hi the download is that big it takes ages but once started it will save until you switch on your ignition then start download again could take 12 hours or more so if you drive your car for 10 minutes a time? 

On 05/08/2021 at 09:09, olderman1 said:

Can I ask where you get your info from ? I'm normally quite good at research online, but I've found very little that's useful or easy to understand and my dealer and the online chat fellow certainly didn't know what you stated above about the frequency of updates.

It's always been the same every 6 months you get map updates last one was June next is November 

On 08/08/2021 at 02:48, skoda1982 said:

Hi the download is that big it takes ages but once started it will save until you switch on your ignition then start download again could take 12 hours or more so if you drive your car for 10 minutes a time? 

It's always been the same every 6 months you get map updates last one was June next is November 

Except with the MIB3 we in Australia can only get updates installed by a dealer when car is getting serviced. Euro cars that have Skoda Connect can get it anytime .

 

Remember THIS SITE is primarily European and so our cars can be quite different in lots of ways and the model names and specs even are quite different

Edited 2 September, 20214 yr by Exkiwi

On 02/09/2021 at 18:51, Exkiwi said:

Except with the MIB3 we in Australia can only get updates installed by a dealer when car is getting serviced. Euro cars that have Skoda Connect can get it anytime .

 

Remember THIS SITE is primarily European and so our cars can be quite different in lots of ways and the model names and specs even are quite different

OK HAVE UPDATED maps in my AMUNDSEN MIB3.

 

Heres how I did it    Went to Skoda portal and put my Vin in and it said map available so I downloaded it to a HDD.

 

Formatted a 8gb SD Card and Unzipped the map file to it.   Stuck it in the closest USB slot and left it for 30 mins. Turned car off and back on and map has gone from 20.3  to 21.2. Is only about a 4 gb file when unpacked  Will also work by using VW portal put in as a Tig or a TROC 2020 on and d/load the file which is identical to the Skoda one. 

You need either a USB C stick or an adapter to do it. 

God knows what you've managed to download, if anything. It's a known fact and is stated on the Portal that a 32GB memory card is required to download full mapping.

I've entered my Kamiq VIN and done a mapping download to my laptop, then when inserting a 32GB memory stick, the system told me that it wasn't big enough and I had to use a 64GB stick.

When I then inserted the stick into the car absolutely nothing happened in the infotainment system. That's because the infotainment system (in the UK at least) isn't set up to accept mapping data from an outside source i.e. a memory stick/card. It will only accept updates over the air via the embedded e sim.

1 hour ago, olderman1 said:

God knows what you've managed to download, if anything. It's a known fact and is stated on the Portal that a 32GB memory card is required to download full mapping.

I've entered my Kamiq VIN and done a mapping download to my laptop, then when inserting a 32GB memory stick, the system told me that it wasn't big enough and I had to use a 64GB stick.

When I then inserted the stick into the car absolutely nothing happened in the infotainment system. That's because the infotainment system (in the UK at least) isn't set up to accept mapping data from an outside source i.e. a memory stick/card. It will only accept updates over the air via the embedded e sim.

 

 Yes but you dont live in Australia do you.

 

Obviously things are different in units which dont have Carnet as we dont  and probably will never  have.

 

I can assure you it happens and several of us in Australia have done it in the past few days   The Map file is actually designated as "Offline"  There are  about 7 different files for maps in different parts of the world so despite your doubts IT WORKS

 

This is the file name on BOTH the Skoda and VW portals

 

AUS_6PRO53_CT3WS_201HO_Offline Update    1.822.850Kb  It is a TAR file and unzips to be 1.871.298.560 bytes and has 32 folders in it.

 

It is a MAP UPDATE NOT a NEW MAP. and it is good for all the Amundsen and Columbus units in T Rocs , TCross, Kamiq,Scala etc. On updating "Navigation database version" changes from 20.3 to 21.2 so something worked  didnt it.  We just put it in and waited and got no notification anything had happened till we rebooted unit and it appeared.

 

Euro maps have ALWAYS been much bigger than ours , away back since I bought a VW with an RNS 510 in 2010. 

 

When one of our guys produced  modified firmware for the RNS 510 with less map space and more storage space it wouldnt work with Euro cars  because their maps were too large

 

Here is the file    Have a look  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_tJYxk0aKlgbG4ZLQYcYEFaRzD7gxO-q/view?usp=sharing

 

 

Edited 13 September, 20214 yr by Exkiwi
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Yes but you dont live in Australia do you

No I don't and there's the point. As I pointed out to you in another topic and you've mentioned yourself earlier in this thread - this is primarily a European site, so much of what you post as being viable in Australian versions isn't relevant here.

I'm glad you've found a way that works for you over there, but there are people over here who won't realise you're in Australia and will try what you've said will work and maybe run the possibility of ******ising their own system.

So to be clear for European owners, or more definitively, UK owners, map updates currently CANNOT be done via the Skoda Portal, although this might change in the future. Map updates can only be done automatically over the air via the embedded e sim and you must be signed up to Skoda Connect to receive them.

48 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

No I don't and there's the point. As I pointed out to you in another topic and you've mentioned yourself earlier in this thread - this is primarily a European site, so much of what you post as being viable in Australian versions isn't relevant here.

I'm glad you've found a way that works for you over there, but there are people over here who won't realise you're in Australia and will try what you've said will work and maybe run the possibility of ******ising their own system.

So to be clear for European owners, or more definitively, UK owners, map updates currently CANNOT be done via the Skoda Portal, although this might change in the future. Map updates can only be done automatically over the air via the embedded e sim and you must be signed up to Skoda Connect to receive them.

Yes you did and we have the same trouble with people from all over the world joining our very excellent site called VWWATERCOOLED and moaning they cant fit their Euro maps on the modified firmware. This despite it stating quite plainly it wont work for obvious reasons.

 

I joined to share and find out things which other countries may have  found works and see if it will work in our cars and I generally point out that I live in Australia even though it says that quite plainly in my signature.

 

There is a lot of commonality across the various models and if we read carefully we can  share and learn off each other rather than fight about it.

 

The actual reason for my post is that dealers and others have said its impossible to do other than through the Esim when obviously that wrong as in our case and may be able to be done in other countries who also dont have Carnet. There is more than just the British Isles in the world,

Edited 13 September, 20214 yr by Exkiwi

Been following this and similar threads since I got my Karoq in March and the update system is as clear as mud to me, I along with others thought updates for maps would be done over air ?,  I had some sort of update a few months ago which didn't seem to change anything, this morning I put my VIN into the portal and it shows a map update sitting there, when I scroll down the page it lists the MIB 3 when I click on that it tells me to download update onto a key etc, does this mean OTA updates are no longer working and we need to download them manually??

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 does this mean OTA updates are no longer working and we need to download them manually??

I don't think so, not yet at least - if ever. There was chatter here that Skoda is going to revert to self downloading maps via the Portal (I really hope they do !), so I asked the question via the online chat service. The operator I spoke to was either evasive or just didn't know what might happen, so I asked how we'd know if Skoda activated self downloads rather than OTA. He said we'd have to follow the Skoda online information site for any possible updates, so not very helpful.

The feeling was that if Skoda change the system, the earliest it might happen would be the end of this year, but considering it's now October, I'd think that's unlikely.

 With regard to the Portal, I've tried what you did. I entered my VIN and even though Skoda knows that it won't work, nowhere in the process of downloading maps to my computer did the system say that I could only get them via OTA. So I spent quite a long time downloading to my computer and then transferring it all to a memory stick, only to discover that when I plugged that into the car, it wasn't recognised. I'd even purchased a 64gb memory stick because the Portal told me that a 32gb stick was too small ! It was very annoying and disheartening.

 Here's how out of date VAG are; My wife has a recently purchased MK 8 Golf which has a similar infotainment system to my Kamiq and I'd tried to update her maps via the VW portal with the same result as my car.

I contacted the local VW dealer who'd supplied the car new (my wife bought it used) and spoke to the aftersales manager. He sent me a link to a tutorial that he'd written out to help customers to update their mapping. I struggled to understand it until I realised that it was the old Portal system he'd sent. When I rang to tell him this, he had no idea that the system had changed to OTA, so I had to tell him how it's supposed to work. 

We're doomed I tell you, we're doomed !!!!

26 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

I don't think so, not yet at least - if ever. There was chatter here that Skoda is going to revert to self downloading maps via the Portal (I really hope they do !), so I asked the question via the online chat service. The operator I spoke to was either evasive or just didn't know what might happen, so I asked how we'd know if Skoda activated self downloads rather than OTA. He said we'd have to follow the Skoda online information site for any possible updates, so not very helpful.

The feeling was that if Skoda change the system, the earliest it might happen would be the end of this year, but considering it's now October, I'd think that's unlikely.

 With regard to the Portal, I've tried what you did. I entered my VIN and even though Skoda knows that it won't work, nowhere in the process of downloading maps to my computer did the system say that I could only get them via OTA. So I spent quite a long time downloading to my computer and then transferring it all to a memory stick, only to discover that when I plugged that into the car, it wasn't recognised. I'd even purchased a 64gb memory stick because the Portal told me that a 32gb stick was too small ! It was very annoying and disheartening.

 Here's how out of date VAG are; My wife has a recently purchased MK 8 Golf which has a similar infotainment system to my Kamiq and I'd tried to update her maps via the VW portal with the same result as my car.

I contacted the local VW dealer who'd supplied the car new (my wife bought it used) and spoke to the aftersales manager. He sent me a link to a tutorial that he'd written out to help customers to update their mapping. I struggled to understand it until I realised that it was the old Portal system he'd sent. When I rang to tell him this, he had no idea that the system had changed to OTA, so I had to tell him how it's supposed to work. 

We're doomed I tell you, we're doomed !!!!

Not sure if it is VW or Skoda who hasn't got a clue, but somebody needs to get a grip, as what's the point of putting downloads on their portal for the latest MIB3 system if when you download them, like you did, they don't work..🤬

55 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

I don't think so, not yet at least - if ever. There was chatter here that Skoda is going to revert to self downloading maps via the Portal (I really hope they do !), so I asked the question via the online chat service. The operator I spoke to was either evasive or just didn't know what might happen, so I asked how we'd know if Skoda activated self downloads rather than OTA. He said we'd have to follow the Skoda online information site for any possible updates, so not very helpful.

The feeling was that if Skoda change the system, the earliest it might happen would be the end of this year, but considering it's now October, I'd think that's unlikely.

 With regard to the Portal, I've tried what you did. I entered my VIN and even though Skoda knows that it won't work, nowhere in the process of downloading maps to my computer did the system say that I could only get them via OTA. So I spent quite a long time downloading to my computer and then transferring it all to a memory stick, only to discover that when I plugged that into the car, it wasn't recognised. I'd even purchased a 64gb memory stick because the Portal told me that a 32gb stick was too small ! It was very annoying and disheartening.

 Here's how out of date VAG are; My wife has a recently purchased MK 8 Golf which has a similar infotainment system to my Kamiq and I'd tried to update her maps via the VW portal with the same result as my car.

I contacted the local VW dealer who'd supplied the car new (my wife bought it used) and spoke to the aftersales manager. He sent me a link to a tutorial that he'd written out to help customers to update their mapping. I struggled to understand it until I realised that it was the old Portal system he'd sent. When I rang to tell him this, he had no idea that the system had changed to OTA, so I had to tell him how it's supposed to work. 

We're doomed I tell you, we're doomed !!!!

We can do this in Australia     We go to the portal find the map    Download it as In VW portal, unzip to a USBC stick. Stick it in the car and wait 30 mins and it will update the map without giving any indication of doing so. Ours is only 4GB and ours went from 20.3 to 21.2

34 minutes ago, Exkiwi said:

We can do this in Australia     We go to the portal find the map    Download it as In VW portal, unzip to a USBC stick. Stick it in the car and wait 30 mins and it will update the map without giving any indication of doing so. Ours is only 4GB and ours went from 20.3 to 21.2

Which system are you on in your car Amundsen MIB2 or MIB3?

26 minutes ago, Bryfly said:

Which system are you on in your car Amundsen MIB2 or MIB3?

I have the MIB 3 Amunsden in the Kamiq nad do the same with my MIB2 in the Tiguan

Further to this, I'd thought I'd have another crack at downloading from the Portal just in case Skoda have allowed us to do it again.

Something has obviously changed and a message box appears stating that this zip cannot be downloaded securely.

Lets hope the OTA update works next month !!

1 hour ago, olderman1 said:

Further to this, I'd thought I'd have another crack at downloading from the Portal just in case Skoda have allowed us to do it again.

Something has obviously changed and a message box appears stating that this zip cannot be downloaded securely.

Lets hope the OTA update works next month !!

Yep...I tried that and got the same message, I ignored the message and started download anyway, then I saw 2hr to 3hr download time and gave up, don't really know how they expect that to download to the unit with a built in Sim card?

7 hours ago, Bryfly said:

Yep...I tried that and got the same message, I ignored the message and started download anyway, then I saw 2hr to 3hr download time and gave up, don't really know how they expect that to download to the unit with a built in Sim card?

Does the same for us every time as our MIB2 maps for ROW are 29GB and can take 2-3 hrs to d/load depending on how busy the server is and how fast your connection is. Have got it down in 45mins using a 500mb connection. Have been using the Skoda version map in my VW's for about 3 years as they normally have it available about 3 weeks before VW. Is the identical map ,just a different file name.   After d/loading and unzipping to a 32gb card it takes 45 mins to load into car . Can be done in parts as it just resumes from where it was  when you turned car off.

Have just redownloaded the MIBII ROW map which is 29GB  is scheduled to take just over 1 3/4 hours.  When I first d/loaded it on day of issue it took 3 1/2 hours probably because everyone and their next door neighbour were trying to do it all together.   A week or so later took half that time. Fastest was 45 mins on the fast connection later in the month

19 hours ago, Bryfly said:

Yep...I tried that and got the same message, I ignored the message and started download anyway, then I saw 2hr to 3hr download time and gave up, don't really know how they expect that to download to the unit with a built in Sim card?

That timeframe of downloading is not unusual, it would take at least that when I had my Kodiaq. If your computer will allow you to download, I'd give it a go. My laptop just shuts me out and will not allow me to download. You have nothing to lose except time - set it going when you go to bed and it should be complete the next morning. It will then take quite some time when you transfer it to a memory stick - it never was a quick process.

However, even if you do manage to download to your computer I suspect your car won't recognize it when you plug your memory stick into the USB port, neither of our cars did.

On 05/10/2021 at 19:09, olderman1 said:

That timeframe of downloading is not unusual, it would take at least that when I had my Kodiaq. If your computer will allow you to download, I'd give it a go. My laptop just shuts me out and will not allow me to download. You have nothing to lose except time - set it going when you go to bed and it should be complete the next morning. It will then take quite some time when you transfer it to a memory stick - it never was a quick process.

However, even if you do manage to download to your computer I suspect your car won't recognize it when you plug your memory stick into the USB port, neither of our cars did.

Just to add to what I have posted    When we in AUSTRALIA  stick the update stick into the USBC  NOTHING appears to happen  NOTHING   However if you look at the units software version 30 mins later it has changed as I said from 20.3 to 21.2 as if by magic. We have no idea how or what it does but it definitely works.

Wont hurt to try it but I suspect it will take longer to upload into the unit as the Tiguan map which is 29gb takes about 45 mins to upload into the MIB II

On 27/10/2021 at 23:15, Exkiwi said:

Just to add to what I have posted    When we in AUSTRALIA  stick the update stick into the USBC  NOTHING appears to happen  NOTHING   However if you look at the units software version 30 mins later it has changed as I said from 20.3 to 21.2 as if by magic. We have no idea how or what it does but it definitely works.

Wont hurt to try it but I suspect it will take longer to upload into the unit as the Tiguan map which is 29gb takes about 45 mins to upload into the MIB II

Followed your advice and put the USB stick into the USB c socket and as you said nothing appears to happen, drove for 45 mins and low and behold when I checked the maps had updated from 19.11 to 21.7, would be handy to have a display that says something is happening

Edited 30 October, 20214 yr by Bryfly

8 minutes ago, Bryfly said:

Followed your advice and put the USB stick into the USB c socket and as you said nothing appears to happen, drove for 45 mins and low and behold when I checked the maps had updated from 19.11 to 21.7, would be handy to have a display that says something is happening

Can you tell us how you managed to download map updates from the Skoda Portal to your computer ? As I mentioned before, after inputting my VIN the Portal would not allow me to do a download.

I thought you had the same problem, so how did you overcome that ?

17 minutes ago, olderman1 said:

Can you tell us how you managed to download map updates from the Skoda Portal to your computer ? As I mentioned before, after inputting my VIN the Portal would not allow me to do a download.

I thought you had the same problem, so how did you overcome that ?

On my laptop after I hit the download button,  the top right it opens the download details and says "zip cannot be downloaded securely", I hit the 3 dots On the right-hand side, which opens other options i then  hit "Keep" another warning opens up which says "keep anyway" which I agree to and the download starts...hope this helps

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.hope this helps

 

I hope it does too. Many thanks for this, I'll give it a try shortly.

Your experience gives lie to what I was told on the Skoda live chat, which was; the only way to get map updates is over the air.