That is a very valid opinion. You want something extra to support your senses.

But why say a vision based system is inadequate when it is clearly not being used to do beyond what humans already do? We humans use the same vision based system to drive the vehicle, no one in their right mind will blindly drive into that kind of fog/rain shown in the video.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

That is a very valid opinion. You want something extra to support your senses.

But why say a vision based system is inadequate when it is clearly not being used to do beyond what humans already do? We humans use the same vision based system to drive the vehicle, no one in their right mind will blindly drive into that kind of fog/rain shown in the video.

You might if you have a good radar system that is penetrative the fog, not at breakneck speed but nice to have fog or rain penetrative systems like aircraft have rather than just another version of eye and brain IMO.

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

no one in their right mind will blindly drive into that kind of fog/rain shown in the video.

I tried watching the video but could not stomach the guys voice and manner, the one doing the narration (hijacking someone elses content) was OK.

I take my hat off to those of you who can sit through 11 minutes of the hyperactivity.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

You might if you have a good radar system that is penetrative the fog, not at breakneck speed but nice to have fog or rain penetrative systems like aircraft have rather than just another version of eye and brain IMO.

All aircraft safety equipment are tested rigorously with redundancy (built in or multiple of). Car assistive tech are not built to the same standard to be relied upon in similar manner.

I personally would not trust Radar/LiDAR system such that I allow it to drive beyond my own capability. I will always drive appropriately to the conditions regardless what type of sensor I have on the car, for as long as I am responsible controlling the car.

I wish you best of luck, please do be careful out there.

@lol-lol The Cargo ship hitting a Tanker off the UK coast had all the latest technical gear / radar etc and was supposed to have a human look out on the ship making headway.

Ether the equipment and look out on the bridge were not doing their job, or maybe someone steered the ship exactly where they meant to.

Just one of those things??

54 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol The Cargo ship hitting a Tanker off the UK coast had all the latest technical gear / radar etc and was supposed to have a human look out on the ship making headway.

Ether the equipment and look out on the bridge were not doing their job, or maybe someone steered the ship exactly where they meant to.

Just one of those things??

Will we ever know? Personly, I would not put it past Putin to order such a collision. Maybe a warning shot to Trump? Maybe why Trump has swung back to supporting Ukraine, maybe one day the truth will come out.

30 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol The Cargo ship hitting a Tanker off the UK coast had all the latest technical gear / radar etc and was supposed to have a human look out on the ship making headway.

Ether the equipment and look out on the bridge were not doing their job, or maybe someone steered the ship exactly where they meant to.

Just one of those things??

Steering gear fails far more often than land lubbers would care to think is actually the case. I have gone up to the bridge sometimes and there has been nobody up there, just the autopilot humming away.

The American flagged small container vessel ploughed in to the Av gas tanker at full telegraph speed of 16 knots ie about 20 mph, that is a lot of genetic energy and luckily it looked like it only split one or two of the tanks, still a thousand or two thousand tonnes of kerosene but hopefully will evaporate quickly.

Did find it interesting that it was a Russian captain on the US flagged vessel. Hopefully one or two crew members or officers will spill the beans. The Humber Estuary has the highest tonnage of any port area in the UK so hopefully closing it for even a few hours did not do too much economic damage.

Do we need a physical connection between the wheels and the steering wheel?

4 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Do we need a physical connection between the wheels and the steering wheel?

As long as it's been designed to similar safety standard as airplane safety system. I don't see any issue.

As we know, people likes to see whatever Tesla do as half-arsed or "out there".

Do people feel safer if they know Tesla isn't the only manufacturer doing *-by-wire?

Lexus, on the roads in UK today have option to steer-by-wire.

Lexus UK Magazine

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Renault 5 brake-by-wire system as default:

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The 5’s brakes deserve a special mention because there’s no mechanical connection between the pedal and the braking system. This "brake by wire" approach might sound a bit scary, but it’s easier to slow down smoothly than it is in a Renault Megane or Scenic.

Those cars have decidedly grabby brake pedals, and while the 5's isn't perfect, there's enough feel and consistency to prevent your passengers thinking you've only just passed your driving test.

He only has to intervene twice!

@Stonekeeper that was twice too much, it was also breaking the speed limit.

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@Stonekeeper that was twice too much, it was also breaking the speed limit.

That is "supervised full self driving", keyword is supervised and at no time anyone is expecting the car to be able to drive fully autonomously. Driver has full liability and is expected to take over at any time.

When it was breaking the speed limit, it was following traffic like every other driver. There is also a speed limit off-set setting in the vehicle.

This is Mercedes level 3 autonomy: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test

BMW level 3: https://mashable.com/article/bmw-level-3-self-driving

All require the driver to take over, key difference is level 3 requires a transition period whereas level 2 are assistive tech, human driver is still driving and must be ready to take over at any time.

Tesla has never claimed any of their tech is level 3 autonomy.

What a giant ripoff.

Car dealers are doing EV oil changes now. No, I'm not kidding... | Auto Expert John Cadogan

More actions against TESLA for safety concerns on TESLAs.

Also TESLA wthdrawn for EV subsidies list.

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

More actions against TESLA for safety concerns on TESLAs.

Also TESLA wthdrawn for EV subsidies list.

The "safety concern" is fear of protests and the like. They say not political but the news video did not give an actual safety concern other than hinting at political climate.

The withdrawn from EV subsidies is retaliatory to US tariffs.

No where and no one is saying vehicle themselves have any safety concerns.

4 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The "safety concern" is fear of protests and the like. They say not political but the news video did not give an actual safety concern other than hinting at political climate.

The withdrawn from EV subsidies is retaliatory to US tariffs.

No where and no one is saying vehicle themselves have any safety concerns.

Indeed. Any association with TESLA is widely considered a risk now. Dealerships, TESLA chargers, fire bombing individual vehicles.

Talking about Teslas, lets hope this never happens...

7 hours ago, wyx087 said:

No where and no one is saying vehicle themselves have any safety concerns.

Except for the ones that drive through fake 'Road Runner' Wyle E Coyote style walls.

https://www.popsci.com/technology/mark-rober-tesla-foam-wall-video/

Edited 20 March, 20251 yr by Lee01

25 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Except for the ones that drive through fake 'Road Runner' Wyle E Coyote style walls.

https://www.popsci.com/technology/mark-rober-tesla-foam-wall-video/

sigh, we've been through this last page:

On 17/03/2025 at 10:14, wyx087 said:

Come on now, let's be real and look at Tesla's failed tests. No (sane) human driver will look at those conditions thinking it'll be alright to plow through.

The key here is every single Tesla on UK and European road with autopilot are not claiming to be self driving. Driver are always 100% responsible just as plane pilots are always 100% responsible what its autopilot are doing.

The low sun and night time tests show Tesla's vision based vehicle safety system performing AEB exactly as designed.

The only possible failing is that many drivers don't RTFM and learn about system limitations. Whether that is an issue that can ever be fixed by one company is debatable.

On 18/03/2025 at 21:07, wyx087 said:

This is Mercedes level 3 autonomy: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test

BMW level 3: https://mashable.com/article/bmw-level-3-self-driving

All require the driver to take over, key difference is level 3 requires a transition period whereas level 2 are assistive tech, human driver is still driving and must be ready to take over at any time.

Tesla has never claimed any of their tech is level 3 autonomy.

The video is to demonstrate capabilities of LIDAR. It has tests specifically designed to show the differences.

In the real world, has there ever been a Road Runner style painting of a road directly in line of another road like that outside of tests?

17 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

sigh, we've been through this last page:

The video is to demonstrate capabilities of LIDAR. It has tests specifically designed to show the differences.

In the real world, has there ever been a Road Runner style painting of a road directly in line of another road like that outside of tests?

I only drop in this topic occasionally so I had no idea about the previous page/s.

To your last question, no idea but it might give people ideas. Imagine a big mirror. Would one hit the brakes or itself 🤔🤣

3 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

I only drop in this topic occasionally so I had no idea about the previous page/s.

To your last question, no idea but it might give people ideas. Imagine a big mirror. Would one hit the brakes or itself 🤔🤣

It would be interesting seeing it try to get around itself😄

17 hours ago, wyx087 said:

The "safety concern" is fear of protests and the like. They say not political but the news video did not give an actual safety concern other than hinting at political climate.

The withdrawn from EV subsidies is retaliatory to US tariffs.

No where and no one is saying vehicle themselves have any safety concerns.

As someone who's not a far-left nutter or a Tesla owner, this has been enormously entertaining, but I do have sympathy for Tesla owners who have fallen foul of the NPC's latest update.

The same people doing everything they can to get people to drive EVs to save the planet from pollution, have been fire-bombing Tesla dealerships because Elon Musk stopped them appropriating US taxpayer money for nefarious purposes. 😄

Typically, their handlers have not criticised them. (It was the same with the BLM violence.)

9 hours ago, Lee01 said:

I only drop in this topic occasionally so I had no idea about the previous page/s.

To your last question, no idea but it might give people ideas. Imagine a big mirror. Would one hit the brakes or itself 🤔🤣

Are big mirrors often mounted like this?

Edited 21 March, 20251 yr by wyx087

Depends if you're trying to catch Roadrunner

Edited 21 March, 20251 yr by StevesTruck

@EnterName you seem not to identify as a Far-right nutter without a Tesla. Or what ever it is that you are.