I'm hearing that in July, the cost of power is going to be an extra £300 per household, a direct link back to the Iran war, so that is going to have a negative effect on the cost of EV charging, is it not?

55 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm hearing that in July, the cost of power is going to be an extra £300 per household, a direct link back to the Iran war, so that is going to have a negative effect on the cost of EV charging, is it not?

Don't think so.

The removal of the ECO levy had reduced the cost of overnight charging of EVs by a quarter, third or half depending on ones tariff.

The projected rise in energy cost is less than 20% and is a combination of electricity and gas.

Electricity will be so cheap for us these dual rate EV tariffs dor the night time rate i can see us sensibly heating our water electrically rather than by gas as it will be significantly cheaper to do.

Still waiting for Octopus to confirm my Q2 energy rates but Night time looks lije it will be very cheap at around 5.5 p per kwh which is cheaper than my gas unit charge and if both want up by 20% as Cornwall Insights first guess is then the Night Electricity will still be much cheaper than it is now due to the removal of the Eco levy and I will use even more electricity than gas particularly in tge midnight to 0530 slot as I will be heating water, heating the house as well as charging the batteries etc.

I think wr may have to be ready for LNG and diesel and petrol to be twice or 3 times the price it was but that does not mean by a long shot that translates in to the same proportion of costs to homes and motorists.

Homes would be a couple of pence more on the unit energy costs and diesel and petrol up by a third and not 3 times as tax is still the biggest chuck of final prices.

@lol-lol Where you get your prices to quote i have no idea. My Eon next Day tariff is going from 32.71 pence a kWh to 29.27 If the 9.5 pence night goes down to 7.12 pence a kWh that will be wunderba.

26 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol Where you get your prices to quote i have no idea. My Eon next Day tariff is going from 32.71 pence a kWh to 29.27 If the 9.5 pence night goes down to 7.12 pence a kWh that will be wunderba.

Expecting something similar, maybe 6.99 p per KWh as a Night rate but if could be less. Some getting deals even on GO as low as 4.5 p per KWh. That is lower than my gas which should drop to 5.2 p per KWh.

Popping over to Ireland for a few days, sorry but will be visiting the Whsky with an "e" distillery in Dublin, sacrilege.

All brilliant for us charging the fleet of electrical cars but gotcsome long journeys to do to Brighton and Devon so a quick flash of public charging needed but it would be right and proper if they dropped their prices 4p a kwh due to the eco levies going and the government harmonised the public VAT rate to the home charging rate of 5% !

50 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Expecting something similar, maybe 6.99 p per KWh as a Night rate but if could be less. Some getting deals even on GO as low as 4.5 p per KWh. That is lower than my gas which should drop to 5.2 p per KWh.

Popping over to Ireland for a few days, sorry but will be visiting the Whsky with an "e" distillery in Dublin, sacrilege.

All brilliant for us charging the fleet of electrical cars but gotcsome long journeys to do to Brighton and Devon so a quick flash of public charging needed but it would be right and proper if they dropped their prices 4p a kwh due to the eco levies going and the government harmonised the public VAT rate to the home charging rate of 5% !

Your findings are at odds with almost everything else, where the cost of electricity is expected to rise by about 15% or more in July 2026, driven largely by the ongoing war in Iran.

Donald Trump's US-Iran war has caused oil prices to surge. Will it make electricity more expensive, too?

We're number one... in unaffordable electricity — Institute of Economic Affairs

It is a very ickle decrease in the gas tariff. But mony a mickle maks a muckle. The thing is my heating is now off totally till maybe September or even October. Next winter maybe OK with my fixed tariff, just as long as the provider can actually keep the Gas flowing and the electricity on...

Yes, my gas and electric prices are reducing slightly (I'm already getting warnings about increases in July) that are in the pipeline, and like it or not, energy costs are linked to the international oil prices and are just a convenient way of profiteering, just as the energy companies did when the Russia/Ukraine war kicked off and we had all of these windfall taxes levied on the energy suppliers.

There is absolutely no reason not to suspect that exactly the same situation is going to happen this time as well.

The UK is receiving petrol, diesel, kerosene etc produced from Russian oil right now, refined in other middle east, far east, Asian countries. That is what is probably what going to become short as others get first dibs on it. Sir Keir and government are playing at 3 Monkeys.

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm hearing that in July, the cost of power is going to be an extra £300 per household, a direct link back to the Iran war, so that is going to have a negative effect on the cost of EV charging, is it not?

The key thing for us EV drivers is that we are on dual rate tariffs and the Night time rate, currently about 8p per KWh, as a rough average, is due to fall to more like 4 to 6p per KWh looked at what Eon, Octopus customers are being told and this is where EV drivers do the vast majority of their charging not the 30, 33 p per KWh charging. This will be the case for the April to June period.

For July to September it is looking like a big jump up in prices, maybe 36, 38 or even 40p per Kwh for Day time and single tariff rates but with the 3.51 p per KWh of all rates, including the Nightime rate it is looking like it will still be in single figures and quite similar to what it is now.

Also as I said if gas did jump up to nearer to 10p a KWh then I would use electricity to heat my water which is looking like it may be the cheaper fuel overnight.

Octopus very quiet despite my asking for my new rates and it maybe next week until they publish mine but with some customers being told as low as 3.5p per KWh I don't think mine will be too shockingly higher than that, the excitement is palpable.

Fantastic savings at home charging are neither here nor there for us paying from our own income to public charge at whatever tariff the chargers are at and go to. & a 15% VAT reduction is not going to really make much difference. Well not to those that bother about things, and real pence per mile. Anyway, Stay Calm and keep on rolling', it could be worse it could be the start of winter not the end. WWIII is averted, because the USA holds all the cards. Well they thought they did!

Lots of Vehicles including BEV,s were manufactured in Hungary & Slovakia using energy that came from Oil & Gas from Russia and in Slovakia & Hungary nuclear from Russian Owned sites in their countries. Oil & Gas delivery currently not happening till when the pipeline is back up flowing.

This chap has purchased a Nissan Leaf with an assured battery SOH report and warranty from BCA. However, all might not be as claimed; investigations are still ongoing on this car. So I'm posting this here for you people who have much more knowledge than me on EVs for your thoughts into what the issue with this car might be.

I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it.

When the investigations are completed and the results are published, then we shall see whether BCA will stand by their warranty or not, and we should all find out just what the truth really is with this car.

So go for it, knock yourselves out.

Edited 21 March21 Mar by Graham Butcher

Leaving 1 hour to see if Charging AC would be simply clever. 2 days matters not if not charging immediately. Sh-!t happens, so use your guarantee. Something wrong with car, & with dash / reading, maybe the BCM. battery maybe fine . Just the AC onboard charger needing checked out. 74,000 miles. Hence bargain price. Pity he does not mention battery size of the car. Is it 40kWh? 4x40 would be 160 miles. 3.1 miles a kWh 124 miles. 40kW minus 15 % 34 kWh. x 3.5 miles a kWh. 119 miles. PS, it would be good to have plugged it into a CHAdeMo charger and see if it charges DC, as many a Leaf needs that jolt to get it charging.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Evolution13

So, if collecting a used car or loaner maybe as well as checking tyre pressures, go see if the car DC charges. The car might always of been Rapid DC charged and never AC charged, Be aware if a CCS or CHademo charger head needed. Be aware if you have a battery with only 85% health and it is at 90% charge then that is only about 30 kW/h worth of range. Probably under 100 miles.

@Evolution13 He stated in the first few minutes of the video that it was the 40KW model. He also included the screenshot of the dash that BCA used to sell the car, it showed 92% charge and 121 miles of range left.

This as he also said, was not his first EV so was not a noob and knew all about the regen and one pedal driving.

Yes he could have tried out the DC and AC charging when he collected the car. That said though when buying an Ice car and the fuel gauge reads nearly full, what do you do? Start sucking fuel out to if it to see if it is fuel and of the correct type etc? No of course you don't, you take it as being correct don't you?

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Graham Butcher

Good, 92 % of 34 kWh battery, , 27.88 kWh. So guestimating it will get 4.3 miles a kWh. My car showed 100% charge and 180 miles range. But that range is based on yesterdays usage and 10*oC ambient temperature. It is an estimate on best of efficiency. I have never got 180 miles from the car. It would need to be getting 3.6 miles a kWh assuming the Usable battery was as it was when new. PS @Graham Butcher I tend to top up a vehicle pretty much as soon as i drive away from where ever. Top up with fuel and then see the efficiency, unless already filled up, then i still monitor the efficiency. PPS. If the fuel flap fails to open, or there is a locking fuel cap & no key you are stuffed a bit. Not serious if you can sort out, or do not need to refill before you are done with what fuel it has....

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Evolution13

'Not sure why you keep quoting a 34 kWH battery; it was a 40 kWh battery,' he said. Anyway, I think your calculator needs replacing, as 92% of 34 kWh is 31.28 kWh, but more importantly, 92% of 40 is 36.8 kWh. Both figures are considerably more than your figure of 27.88 kWh.

I also accept that the range is always based upon the driving style, etc. of the last journey, just as it is on any type of car. It has to be based on what is expected to be left in the tank/battery x the last average mpg/mkw that the car did.

But surely there has to be something way out of whack when that 92% drops to just 1% after doing 35 miles?

The car is now at a proper Nissan dealership, which has said that they think it has a software problem but that they will confirm what the actual issue is once they have a proper look at the car. He will update us all on that when he does the follow-up video in due course. The video I posted is only 2 days old, so I hope that he gets answers back within the next week and posts his update soon after.

And he also said in his video that he has had in the past an electric Kia Soul and a Skoda Enyaq, and as he also said, he did exactly the same thing with both of those cars: drive from his unit to home and back again and then charge on the 3-pin granny lead at his unit. He also said that the Soul he drove had a range of less than 100 miles, which this video seems to back up, but he managed to make that trip perfectly OK without any drama.

So let me get this straight in my mind, it seems to me that you are actually blaming the poor performance of his Leaf firmly on him and his lack of knowledge of how to drive an EV, is that correct?

I'm sitting here; thinking there is an issue with the car itself, as it looks like it lost 60%+ of what it said it should do on the remaining energy in the battery.

So let's wait for the update.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Graham Butcher

Usable capacity new was 39 kW/h. What is a 40kW usable battery if it has lost 15%? 34 kW of battery. Battery condition B. 80 - 85 % of the battery. so 90% of only 34 kW/h is 30.6 kW/h Like the battery energy my MINI Electric had from new. SO what matters is is it only 1% battery range as now. Or was it wrongly showing. Yes something wrong. But it had a Battery Report seemingly... @Graham Butcher I actually drove early KIA Souls and was looking for the updated ones. Basically stop trying to teach this granddad how to suck eggs from your knowledge gathered online. Back in 2019 i was genning up on them. Watching videos, & trying them to see The Truth About Them.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Evolution13

@Graham Butcher Where did you see that i blame him for not knowing how to drive the car? You keep making up your own version. I am saying what a plonker leaving a car charging 2 days if it is not actually charging. & being a Leaf not checking it would charge with CHAdemo. High mileage, maybe never AC charged. If he had not checked on the recalls and history and if done he will be telling us the scores on the doors now once he has all the info. There is the USA recalls, the Rest of World and UK ones to check.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Evolution13

@Evolution13 I see. you are using the alleged battery SOH rather than the displayed SOC, makes some sense.

But in reality if what you are saying is actually true about SOH, SOC, actual ambient temperature, estimation based on the days before, etc., etc., then all of what you are saying does kind of show that electric cars are not currently a suitable replacement for combustion ones because there are so many things that you need to bear in mind all the time and plan for before you can actually get in and drive them.

Right, let's draw a line in the sand here, as the original aim of my post in the first place was to gain the benefit of the knowledge that you EV drivers have as to what the actual problem with this car was. Before we get the experts' opinion from the Nissan dealerships' engineers, we will see who was the nearest to the truth.

This is the reason why I said, and I quote, "I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it."

So are you going with

A/ it is all down to the driver and his lack of knowledge?

B/ it down to a software issue?

C/ is it a duff battery?

D/ the actual battery claim from BCA was flawed?

Or E/ something else that I've not allowed for?

Again as I said I'm not going with anything, as I have insufficient knowledge of electric cars, I'm leaving this open to the EV experts here.

One thing I have taken away from this so far is, as I have always thought, that those who sail close to the wind on the range, some who often claim that they have actually gone into minus figures are playing with fire.

It is a well known fact that these batteries once they reach a certain cell voltage lock themselves out of accepting a charge and will as you rightly said in the beginning, see if it charges DC, as many a Leaf needs that jolt to get it charging.

This is a well-known trick with power tool batteries that have been allowed to drop too low: giving them a short, sharp shock with a DC voltage in excess of their normal voltage can initiate charging to begin again.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Graham Butcher

B & D are very much the possible issue. & the AC onboard charger as well. Then as far as his cables they need tried on another EV, because what they last charged does not mean still working. I have had 2 fail.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Evolution13

42 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Where did you see that i blame him for not knowing how to drive the car?

The answer is that I never saw it and I was not implying that you did; I was saying that his logic seems OK based on his previous experience.

Edited 22 March22 Mar by Graham Butcher

Quite expectedly EV sales jumping, particularly quick to react second hand EVs react first then new EV sales.

Was in Dublin early in the week and the Irish government reduced excise duty of fuel on Monday and I expect UK government will have to do so soon else see inflation spike up when March figures are out. Inflation was staying the same at 3% when just announced, same as previous month but would spike up soon of course. Should be somewhat countered by energy prices falling but I for one am still waiting to hear Octopus GO rates for my EVs and house but hoping for about a 20% fall in te key Night time rate when the EVs are charged but also house hold items charged up too. Soon find out but the waiting is frustrating.

evs at auction including a 15 month old id7 for £28,400

Edited 27 March27 Mar by Stonekeeper

@lol-lol is it really? I wonder if it is not a case of grabbing the current situation and using it to suit the narrative; after all, the powers that be are not going to look a gift horse in the mouth if they think that enough people would be swayed to buying a car to go towards their ideological dream.

If Ed Miliband can possibly think that spending millions of UK taxpayers' money on solar panels and then installing them in the Congo where the sunshine is more predictable then here in the UK is a good idea, the claiming the Iran war is also a good idea.🫣

I'm really not convinced that electricity is going to be coming down, especially when the government have announced that help would be available to anyone is going to struggling with their energy bills after the July price hike, and unless I'm mistaken, they are referring to home energy bills, not automotive ones (i.e. those using dino juice for their cars)

Edited 27 March27 Mar by Graham Butcher