Pleased !

38 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Pleased !

The only car to appear in 3 sections as well.

World of EV trucks moving fast and might partly save us from diesel shortage on harming the moving of goods in Europe.

Also article giving data just how much quicker Electric Trucks are than diesel trucks. We have BYD EV trucks being introduced to Europe shorlty, and they will build the megawatt plus charging network, Mercedes, Tesla and my old firm Ceva buying the Windrose D700 which have interesting stats. 0 to 60 in 12.5 seconds and 24 seconds when loaded. A diesel HGV would typically take twice as long. More importantly the loss of momentum up inclines is far less in the electric truck to the wiesel.

"Gradients show the same advantage, with the Semi holding 65 mph on a 3% incline where a diesel typically drops to around 50. The practical value is less about straight-line speed than about traffic.

A truck that can merge onto a motorway at pace, clear an intersection quickly and maintain speed uphill removes friction from every journey and reduces the situations where a heavy vehicle becomes an obstruction to everyone around it."

https://www.facebook.com/teslainsiderfb/posts/tesla-has-given-top-gear-acceleration-figures-for-the-production-semi-and-the-nu/122170847468664960/

This happens and worse ie only get 26 KWs, or getting nothing at all as I did twice on last BH weekend, presumably as there is not enough power to supply the chargers.

Southwaite services, between Penrith and Carlisle, so likely somebody is on a large trip up to Glasgow area or beyond.

26 KW is worst than my air cooled battery packed Zoe got, you may as well book yourself in the hotel at this slow rate .......

Place needs Megapacks or a better Grid connection or both.......

Edited Sunday at 19:311 day by lol-lol

& often in Scotland 50 kW max chargers might give only 26kW and be at Local Council provided chargers with a max 40 minutes allowed or 60 minutes max chearging time.

@lol-lol Surely, the slower acceleration of the diesel truck is a positive safety advantage, something to be thankful for. Have you ever driven a big heavy vehicle in earnest and for any real distance?

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

This happens and worse ie only get 26 KWs, or getting nothing at all as I did twice on last BH weekend, presumably as there is not enough power to supply the chargers.

Southwaite services, between Penrith and Carlisle, so likely somebody is on a large trip up to Glasgow area or beyond.

26 KW is worst than my air cooled battery packed Zoe got, you may as well book yourself in the hotel at this slow rate .......

Place needs Megapacks or a better Grid connection or both.......

I don't know why you are so amazed by this. I've been saying for some time that the chargers are limited by the total incoming grid connection and supply size. The grid is going to struggle, and if electric trucking ever really takes off with trampers and freelance truckers, they will need to be using public chargers and will be taking ages charging. Unlike the Amazon trucks which will only be going from Amazon warehouse to another Amazon warehouse with their own chargers and will likely be there for many hours before doing the return trip to their home warehouse.

Purpose built HGV Charging hubs might well have the appropriate local Battery Storage & not National Grid supplies. You would damn well hope when Developing Low Carbon Hubs. BUT, this marvellous planned hub is only 100 yards from where there is 4 Unreliable Angus Council 50 kW chargers & 6 7 kW AC with 2 out of order for months and 4 22 kW ports that seldom even give 11 kW even with just one car plugged in.

Edited yesterday at 06:431 day by Evolution13

Hopefully the grid has capacity and will provide sufficient incoming power to the new hub?

The National Grid in England will not be fit for purpose for many a year. And the Transmission Lines due to be passing the New Hub in Forfar on their way south are struggling to get planning approval as are the Sub Stations along the way north and south. Kintore and Tealing. Local Solar and Wind and Battery Storage is a necessity. It is a POSTCODE Lottery, location location location. Just imagine that while these projects and already built facilities struggle to get the required electricity new MEGA / HYPER SCALE DATA CENTRES are built in the region.

Edited yesterday at 07:271 day by Evolution13

56 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Purpose built HGV Charging hubs might well have the appropriate local Battery Storage & not National Grid supplies. You would damn well hope when Developing Low Carbon Hubs. BUT, this marvellous planned hub is only 100 yards from where there is 4 Unreliable Angus Council 50 kW chargers & 6 7 kW AC with 2 out of order for months and 4 22 kW ports that seldom even give 11 kW even with just one car plugged in.

With electricity there is alternate solutions.

Firstly, like Europe and Fastned stations, these sites should have solar canopies and batteries as part of the site.

Solar and even wind turbines close by.

I can even see a day of mobile trucks visiting these sites and topping off batteries if the get low like fuel to a fuel station.

Battery swapping is a more sensible solution for trucks than cars i think.

Longer range cars will distort the need.

EV charging stations are only used about 12% of the time being idle the rest. Do we actually need 300,000 EV charge points as that is the stated aim.

With average EVs approaching 300 mile range but soon after that 400, 500 and 600 miles as more dense energy batteries are introduced.

I would just like honesty from the public charge providers and that feed into Google Maps ie not just charge available but if it has a capped power output so I don't waste my time and I go on to another charger.

Edited yesterday at 07:431 day by lol-lol

If they have the alternative solutions then great. Sadly this is the UK and sadly very little if anything is built on time to the budget and fit for purpose and if it is that does not mean there is a competent Local Authority making sure that the rest of the infrastructure is in place. The Future looks bright, but sadly because it is the UK it keeps being in the future............. Flight delays today. Disruption with Air Flight Control. National Air Traffic Services (Nats) Prestwick Centre. That is Air, Rail, Water & Electricity that is pretty crap in the UK, and roads and deliveries dependent on HGV charging for EV,s will be just the same old same old.

I am watching this with interest to see just how long this takes to get opened. It will be one of Scotlands most important charging places on the totally hopeless 'Electric A9 Highway' as far as Ultra Rapid charging. Within sight of the many many wind turbines just north of this. & next to the Upgraded Pylons & Transmission route North South. As to this article. Not a MOTORWAY as is obvious by the name A9 not M9.

Edited yesterday at 09:211 day by Evolution13

2017, a wish and a bl00dy dream... Nothing but delay and bluster and money available and not spent wisely if even spent on equipment. Plenty spent on Professional Fees and Meetings and planning and contracts. Not on actual equipment and where there is chargers they are 50 kW max and not fit for purpose within a decade.

Edited yesterday at 09:571 day by Evolution13

4/ Yes battery swaps

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

With electricity there is alternate solutions.

Firstly, like Europe and Fastned stations, these sites should have solar canopies and batteries as part of the site.

Solar and even wind turbines close by.

I can even see a day of mobile trucks visiting these sites and topping off batteries if the get low like fuel to a fuel station.

Battery swapping is a more sensible solution for trucks than cars i think.

Longer range cars will distort the need.

EV charging stations are only used about 12% of the time being idle the rest. Do we actually need 300,000 EV charge points as that is the stated aim.

With average EVs approaching 300 mile range but soon after that 400, 500 and 600 miles as more dense energy batteries are introduced.

I would just like honesty from the public charge providers and that feed into Google Maps ie not just charge available but if it has a capped power output so I don't waste my time and I go on to another charger.

The above does sound feasible until you actually stop and think outside the box a bit.

1/ How large would the solar array need to be to top up storage batteries again after a couple of trucks have been recharged? The trucks will not know if the station has sufficient reserves to provide them with a charger, nor will the trucker know how long it has been since the last truck left the charger.

2/ Wind turbines are going to extremely popular and highly desirable in urban locations or beauty spots I don't think.

3/ EV stations may currently be idle for up to 88% of the time in some locations only (there is a large Tesla one near me and everytime I go past it, it always looks like all chargers are in use). As EVs become the more dominant type of motive power, that figure alters rapidly, especially if those who can't charge at home switch to EV power.

4/ Yes, trucks have battery swapping technology, which makes sense as it would keep them where they belong, on the road delivering the goods, but it still means that the hub still demands a huge grid connection so those batteries will be recharged ready for the next truck to roll in, requiring a fresh set of batteries.

The Wind Turbines all around Scotland & also are up in Beauty Spots and so are Pylons like from Beauly to the South and East. (within 1 mile of the Fasned planned site) Many turbines paid to not generate or not to provide electricity to that region. Not enough Battery Storage to take the energy or Hydrogen production plants. The Sub Stations are being blocked in planning and some are started to be built but not being allowed to be extended and are not up and running. NIMBY,s.

Edited yesterday at 10:101 day by Evolution13

Trump is the best EV salesman.....

New Trump Promisero car....

https://youtube.com/shorts/-cH9OQ560Hg?si=V6cSZt_wHT8C68G2

22 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

4/ Yes battery swaps

The above does sound feasible until you actually stop and think outside the box a bit.

1/ How large would the solar array need to be to top up storage batteries again after a couple of trucks have been recharged? The trucks will not know if the station has sufficient reserves to provide them with a charger, nor will the trucker know how long it has been since the last truck left the charger.

2/ Wind turbines are going to extremely popular and highly desirable in urban locations or beauty spots I don't think.

3/ EV stations may currently be idle for up to 88% of the time in some locations only (there is a large Tesla one near me and everytime I go past it, it always looks like all chargers are in use). As EVs become the more dominant type of motive power, that figure alters rapidly, especially if those who can't charge at home switch to EV power.

4/ Yes, trucks have battery swapping technology, which makes sense as it would keep them where they belong, on the road delivering the goods, but it still means that the hub still demands a huge grid connection so those batteries will be recharged ready for the next truck to roll in, requiring a fresh set of batteries.

The thinking is already thought through and being implemented not just very much in the UK but in other countries who do act more quickly.

1) Solar arrays / canopies are implemented at EV charging sites by mandate to fit solar canopies and this is happening in many European countries as all parking sites over a few car spaces are mandated to have canopies and the EV charging actually come in after the solar canopies (and battery bank) have been installed. Small AC or single /dual bay sites can be exempt as impractical on scale basis. What UK and high latitude installs tend to forget is the solar panels should be point 3 ways ie East, South and West to catch best sun or have sun tracking ability like my solar arrays due to the wide direction sunlight can come from in this 50, 60 degree lattitude.

2) Small wind turbines, not the usual windmill design but Archimedes type screw design but it does need some 10 mph winds, lower than conventional wind turbine but still a good onshore, off shore type wind environment or hill etc. If not suited then the EV charging site will have to rely on batteries, solar and whatever Grid it van get.

3) Yes Public charging has to be improved and not just number of sites and location but the true speed one can get. Oft the EV can only get half its rated power due to the battery being a bit cold, or hot but 26 Kw is just dishonest the the charge providers. Google is excellent at reporting at reporting availability and cost in live mode on the display. I want to see a warning of low charge speeds ie 50 KW s or less or maybe 75 KW to me is a minimum rate upon plug in, might drop in to sub 50 KW for the bit above 70% which is acceptable but not in the 10% to 70% range IMO.

4) For the (88%, 50% whatever) idle time the local battery mega pack can be charging from the canopy, mains etc and be ready to deliver the stunning 1.2 /1.5 MWs when the next truck pulls up. Each site would naturally get its configuration. Being able to charge up the local batteries for free or cheap electricity, mine is cheapest during the day usually rather than night but a dynamic charging tariff would be best, though trucks, ofcourse, do work all hours.

I see massive opportunities in develop these truck charge sites and BYD and TESLA have tremendous knowledge in these areas, just hope one of the UK charge providers can match these foreign firms, perhaps they will need another quarter of a billion pound investment. My experience of Gridserve in the last few weeks suggests they have a big task in front of them and providing customers with only 26 KWs on a 350 KW rated charge is just **** poor.

@lol-lol lets stick with the UK and what is what now and coming soon. Even ZAPMAP is crap but somehow they think they are the dogs dangles.

36 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol lets stick with the UK and what is what now and coming soon. Even ZAPMAP is crap but somehow they think they are the dogs dangles.

Big fishes in a little pond.

Begrudgingly one must admit TESLA have done well with their UK public charging network, maybe not everywhere ie Northern Scotland, but many places. Their reliability, availability and pricing is very good in Midlands ie Frankley and Gloucester services particularly.

Big question is whether BYD can do similar or better. The make batteries and chargers as well as cars and trucks. If they can do as well as TESLA if not better with their rollout of public charging it will show Gridserve and other public chargers hie it should be done ie onsite batteries to give reliable high speed charging.

I do wonder if Gridserve and others do not or cannot supply the charge levels advertised because the electricity they would supply is so expensive they would rather not supply.

This tea time my market rate lecky is up to 91p per KWh during peak half hour slot. I will not be taking very much of that at all !!

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

The thinking is already thought through and being implemented not just very much in the UK but in other countries who do act more quickly.

1) Solar arrays / canopies are implemented at EV charging sites by mandate to fit solar canopies and this is happening in many European countries as all parking sites over a few car spaces are mandated to have canopies and the EV charging actually come in after the solar canopies (and battery bank) have been installed. Small AC or single /dual bay sites can be exempt as impractical on scale basis. What UK and high latitude installs tend to forget is the solar panels should be point 3 ways ie East, South and West to catch best sun or have sun tracking ability like my solar arrays due to the wide direction sunlight can come from in this 50, 60 degree lattitude.

2) Small wind turbines, not the usual windmill design but Archimedes type screw design but it does need some 10 mph winds, lower than conventional wind turbine but still a good onshore, off shore type wind environment or hill etc. If not suited then the EV charging site will have to rely on batteries, solar and whatever Grid it van get.

3) Yes Public charging has to be improved and not just number of sites and location but the true speed one can get. Oft the EV can only get half its rated power due to the battery being a bit cold, or hot but 26 Kw is just dishonest the the charge providers. Google is excellent at reporting at reporting availability and cost in live mode on the display. I want to see a warning of low charge speeds ie 50 KW s or less or maybe 75 KW to me is a minimum rate upon plug in, might drop in to sub 50 KW for the bit above 70% which is acceptable but not in the 10% to 70% range IMO.

4) For the (88%, 50% whatever) idle time the local battery mega pack can be charging from the canopy, mains etc and be ready to deliver the stunning 1.2 /1.5 MWs when the next truck pulls up. Each site would naturally get its configuration. Being able to charge up the local batteries for free or cheap electricity, mine is cheapest during the day usually rather than night but a dynamic charging tariff would be best, though trucks, ofcourse, do work all hours.

I see massive opportunities in develop these truck charge sites and BYD and TESLA have tremendous knowledge in these areas, just hope one of the UK charge providers can match these foreign firms, perhaps they will need another quarter of a billion pound investment. My experience of Gridserve in the last few weeks suggests they have a big task in front of them and providing customers with only 26 KWs on a 350 KW rated charge is just **** poor.

Here's the point that I was making: the UK is not doing any of those things, and the last time I checked, we were all still firmly rooted here, the UK. We could talk about the situation in Kuwait, but their fossil fuel is cheap. Being a major producer, I understand that and they more than likely will not go down the EV route.

It's of zero interest to the UK members of this forum to continually sprout what they are or are not doing. The French, for example, are particularly rebellious, and if the authorities introduce, for example, new driving rules that the population finds unpalatable, they riot and get their way in the end. Here in the UK we are not like that, and so our government takes liberties with us, like the blanket 20mph in Wales to reduce deaths. (which apparently had the opposite effect, and they have risen).

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Here's the point that I was making: the UK is not doing any of those things, and the last time I checked, we were all still firmly rooted here, the UK. We could talk about the situation in Kuwait, but their fossil fuel is cheap. Being a major producer, I understand that and they more than likely will not go down the EV route.

It's of zero interest to the UK members of this forum to continually sprout what they are or are not doing. The French, for example, are particularly rebellious, and if the authorities introduce, for example, new driving rules that the population finds unpalatable, they riot and get their way in the end. Here in the UK we are not like that, and so our government takes liberties with us, like the blanket 20mph in Wales to reduce deaths. (which apparently had the opposite effect, and they have risen).

Not accurate. In Essex, for one example, the wonderful Electric Forecourt over in Braintree has 30 chargers but also 6 MWhs of battery back up.

My lad used my Scenic at the Gatwick has two 3.6 MWh battery pack, Norwich 6 MWh also, not sure about Stevenage as not yet published.

The Fasned charging site at Colchester has solar canopy, one of their smaller sites and looks like the solar is just used

Green light for Fastned’s west London ultra-rapid charging h

An ultra-rapid electric vehicle charging hub will be built by Fastned in west London.  The joint venture between Fastned and Places for London, Transport

Fastned's signature yellow solar canopies will provide shelter in inclement weather, alongside lighting and CCTV to ensure safety on site.  With around 64% of outer London households lacking access to off-street parking, many drivers rely on public charging infrastructure, particularly in urban areas.  Fastned says it has designed the Hanger Lane hub, ensuring it meets the needs of local residents, commuters, visitors and commercial operators such as local businesses and taxi or private hire cars. The hub provides accessible charging for vehicles of all sizes, from cars and taxis to vans and smaller trucks, helping address the limited opportunities for private charging at homes or commercial depots due to London's space constraints. 

@lol-lol Yes, I know about Electric Forecourt, just a few miles from me, and it can cope with that load, as there is a tap into the main 275kV or maybe even 400kV grid powerline just metres away from it. The place is run by Gridserve and has on-site 2 massive transformers to provide the power. But a couple of swallows does not make a summer.

If we are to go electric, we need far more of these centres, but however, they are not geared up to accept HGVs.

The same national grid powerline that serves Electric Forecourt, also runs close by the Fastned site in Colchester.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Graham Butcher

I was thinking of Smokey and the Bandit. Never a truer thing in a song. The UK needs to get a move on with things.

Edited 58 minutes ago58 min by Evolution13

49 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

I was thinking of Smokey and the Bandit. Never a truer thing in a song. The UK needs to get a move on with things.

Seems to be planning that hold things up alot.

Perhaps a different approach needed ie fast track for sone project as national priority circumventing local permissions or different parameters which ars automatically accepted.

Edited 7 minutes ago7 min by lol-lol