Skoda JS (industry) are building parts for Rolls Royce for these Small nuclear modular facilities that are seemingly coming and all ready creating so many jobs. Well that will be in the legal, media and planning side not digger and dumper drivers yet. Energy required for AI data centres not electric (heating ) for those in social housing, high rise flats etc without balcony solar or battery storage or a car even. Those to that can get on a bus for £2 while the bus company might get anything from a £1 to who knows how much to compensate them for the full fare. While car dealer sellers / manufacturers get £thoudsands of CAR GRANT money.

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12 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

Lol at you and home balcony solar. Let's see how long or cold this winter gets. Tough on those with oil heating systems or bottled gas. Tough on those with really not enough to get by on while the haves are doing along very nicely.

I am going to hold off on getting home solar and wait to see if there are some bargains on Black Friday - Cyber Monday and the aftermath of those events as that is when I have ended to get the best prices on home batteries, solar panels etc. Even if I buy then ie next month I may wait until late Jan or Feb to install when the sun meaningfully returns to the Northern Hemisphere. With some help, rather than ground or wall mount, I will probably pop the panels on to one of my tracking array.

As Martin Lewis says it is amazing how many people are on the variable, PANTS, tariff. Many people seem indifferent or just not getting it that changing tariff or acquiring this increasingly cheap tech can pay for itself in 2 to 3 years. About half the UK seems to be very difficult to help even for their own good, ever thus.

Tech Radar reports of Octopus ....................

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Octopus Energy says its plug-in solar kits have sold out again — but 'more are on the way' to save you up to £150 a year on bills

News By Mark Wilson Published 2 days ago

The sun continues to shine on plug-in solar... Octopus Energy says it's sold out of its plug-in solar kits for a second time.

• More stock of the now-legal kits is apparently "on the way"

• Meanwhile, manufacturer UKSOL says more retailers are stocking its kits

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The threat of a worsening energy crisis is pushing many of us towards tech that could help cut our growing bills — and Octopus Energy says it's now sold out of its plug-in solar kits for a second time in less than four weeks, after being "blown away" by the demand. Plug-in solar kits, which can be installed without professional help, were legalised in the UK just over a month ago. Octopus Energy has been offering two DIY kits to customers, with a choice or one 460W panel (£450) or two panels (£650, including VAT and curb-side delivery). The energy giant says that "thousands of households" have been trying to get one of its plug-in kits, but supply hasn't been able to meet demand. Octopus says the first 500 kits were gone in two weeks, and it's just sold out another batch.

https://www.techradar.com/home/energy-saving/octopus-energy-says-its-plug-in-solar-kits-have-sold-out-again-but-more-are-on-the-way-to-save-you-up-to-gbp150-a-year-on-bills

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Selling out is easy to do if your imports from China are being delayed by disruption in manufacturing or transportation by sea or at ports. So much Halloween plastic crap including lights to get into the warehouse including lights, then the Christmas trash / lights, fireworks etc etc. the money making stuff.

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4 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Selling out is easy to do if your imports from China are being delayed by disruption in manufacturing or transportation by sea or at ports. So much Halloween plastic crap including lights to get into the warehouse including lights, then the Christmas trash / lights, fireworks etc etc. the money making stuff.

My lad has been put on standby for busy time, he works for one of the super large Fast Parcel Operators.

Always the tough choices as to air or sea freight. About half of air freight travel on the regular air passenger flights and the other half on dedicated freight aircraft.

For the solar invertors air freight would be fine but not for 20 Kg solar panels which are circa 1.8m tall. I have been looking at the flexible solar panels which seem to weigh about a quarter what rigid solar panels. Not sure of any big disadvantages with them.

Batteries, ie so called solar batteries wwth large Lithium batteries present their own challenges as Dangerous Goods.

I think Octopus are talking about 7 or 8 weeks delay if a balcony solar kit now but since we are rapidly moving in to the darker tine of year I think it is price that is key. I would like to see the 460w system down below £400 which i would hope it will be and therefore payback in two spring/summer/autumn period rather than 3.

Shipping both at sea and inkand UK is quite expensive. I think kne xan still get sub £2k shipping of a 40 ft container if one is moving bulk ie several containers at a time. UK shipping kf these giant near 2m long solar panels when, unless ordering many at a time, the shipping is almost as expensive as the panels. Free shipping if one orders say 16 or more panels ie couple of thousand quid worth, ouch. Maybe a family and friends order. Do like some are doing and replacing fencing panels with solar panels, good for the morning or evening sun in lare autumn, winter and early spring with their tangential aspect to the ground.

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But dealers don't want diesel trade ins when customers want to get an EV says Car Dealer magazine.....

Car Dealer Magazine

Soaring fuel prices spark rush for used EVs – but dealers...

Soaring fuel prices are resulting in more motorists considering making the switch to electric cars – but specialist EV dealers say they are increasingly

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4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

But dealers don't want diesel trade ins when customers want to get an EV says Car Dealer magazine.....

Car Dealer Magazine

Soaring fuel prices spark rush for used EVs – but dealers...

Soaring fuel prices are resulting in more motorists considering making the switch to electric cars – but specialist EV dealers say they are increasingly

That is just what they want to try and convince everyone to believe; it's all BS really. All they will do with the trade-in is to sell it on quickly to a second hand dealer in order to try to convince the next punter looking to buy new that only EV models are available with the vague hope of hitting their sales quota and avoiding any fines coming along for missing it.

Growing numbers of unsold used and new ICE vehicle. That are vehicles that are owned by financial institutions in many cases so that is Pension. Fund money that Motor Groups borrow to have stock.