4 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

EVs no dearer to repair for major components than ICE.

Would touch a passive cooled LEAF Mk 1 or 2. Shame as a British made car and I wanted to be patriotic and was ready to order the 60 KWh rather than the 39 KWh one but they were not available.

Good informative video but going to further damage the already shaky reputation of the first two models of the LEAFs.

Zoe's active air cooling better than LEAF passive system but now, and for several years all EVs are liquid cooled.

Much faster charging is result.

Similar happened with air and liquid cooled ICE cars and liquid cooling was a quantum change.

The issue of EV repairs are where you are in the UK, & transporting EV,s to repairers / distances. If you are lucky to be near ones that can do MAJOR repairs then good. As it is just getting EV,s or PHEV,s serviced or minor work might require using Main Dealers unless you are fortunate to have independent places or you can maybe use a Mobile EV Technician.

49 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

EVs no dearer to repair for major components than ICE.

The real issue here is that the big push towards electrification is happening before we have actually learned all there is to know about their varied failure modes and how to effectively repair them safely at the component level rather then complete assembly level. Governments are trying to run before they have effectively learnt to walk.

There is another good garage that can work on EVs in London and they have their own YT channel and website .

I have been watching their channel for a while now, and they are very impressive, but we need many more garages with their skills, and I have no doubt that we will get there eventually, but not before we will have many significant issues along the way
www.ogsmechanics.com

www.youtube.com/@OGSMechanics

12 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

The real issue here is that the big push towards electrification is happening before we have actually learned all there is to know about their varied failure modes and how to effectively repair them safely at the component level rather then complete assembly level. Governments are trying to run before they have effectively learnt to walk.

There is another good garage that can work on EVs in London and they have their own YT channel and website .

I have been watching their channel for a while now, and they are very impressive, but we need many more garages with their skills, and I have no doubt that we will get there eventually, but not before we will have many significant issues along the way
www.ogsmechanics.com

www.youtube.com/@OGSMechanics

We learnt quite quickly that air cooled EV battery packs were deficient in several ways.

Long been an engineering known issue. I had several triple cylinder engined motorbikes and the cylinder in the middle in these air cooled engines was oft a problem. Air cooled engines in beatles and Porsches getting thermal stress cracks between the inlet and exhaust valves too.

Just amazing how long Nissan kept on with the deficient LEAF 1 and 2 basic design.

Cars would Rapidgate when second chargibg on a trip ie so hot the the system would throttle to such an extent you coukd have a 4 course meal waiting for it to get enough charge. My 52 KWh Zoe would not even hit 50 KWh charging and if ambient was more than 40 C, more common with Global warming, well forget it.

Problems solved with liquid colling and charge curves are twice as quick and flatter even in very hot weather.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by lol-lol

Biulding rumours that pay per mile we be extended to all cars.

It is expected that excuse duty on fuel will be cut in the budget but to keep the Treasury receipts up pay per mile will be for all cars.

Sounds fairer I reckon.

Spreading rumours is a way of The Government flying kites. Who started the rumour as far as you can see @lol-lol the Daily Express. AI might have it repeated as started by you.

6 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Spreading rumours is a way of The Government flying kites. Who started the rumour as far as you can see @lol-lol the Daily Express. AI might have it repeated as started by you.

Good political mood gauging.

The Express, Mail and Torygraph have long since ceased being newspapers and become political hearders.

Thinking of starting my usual thread on the Budget ie 2026 Budget predictions.

KPMG have their out, bit weak i thought, will look put fir pwc's which i should see early as an Alumni.

I like the recently added footnote to AI which states this might be a load of *******s.

16 hours ago, lol-lol said:

I wish more people would run thru the numbers on car ownership. EV PCP deals start at around £150 a month and that is reckoned to be only a half to a third ot typical annual cost of running a car new or old. I have both experienced and hear about it on a monthly basis how much out of warranty cars can cost to repair, freightening.

Seriously??? Are you trying to tell me that a £150 PCP lease on a Dacia Spring / Leapmotor T03 / Citroen Ami or similar is an equivalent replacement for what I currently drive? Don't be so stupid.

Anything worthwhile as a replacement is multiples of £150 per month and would also require a hefty up-front deposit of thousands... plus as a PCP I'd have a very hefty final payment to make at the end of it otherwise the vehicle would have to be handed back. So effectively just throwing money away.

As for repair costs out of warranty - my personal experience is that they are very minimal if you choose the right car carefully.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by skomaz

52 minutes ago, skomaz said:

Seriously??? Are you trying to tell me that a £150 PCP lease on a Dacia Spring / Leapmotor T03 / Citroen Ami or similar is an equivalent replacement for what I currently drive? Don't be so stupid. Anything worthwhile as a replacement is multiples of £150 per month and would also require a hefty up-front deposit of thousands... As for repair costs out of warranty - my personal experience is that they are very minimal if you choose the right car carefully.

Nah there are C segment EV cars for a lot less than multiples of £150. For example.. (Was out some months ago but the deals do rotate across Stellantis cars).

Not sure about D segment cars as great monthly payment deals which also have incredibly low running costs ie total cost of ownership all up per month. Under £300 a month i would expect. The good deals come and go.

Last 2 Skodas I and family have had have been money pit. One diesel Fabia and one petrol Fabia. Thousand pound fixes for thermostats / water pumps, timing chains etc. Regular expensive servicing, two or three times the cost I now pay for the EV servicing. No MOTs, cheap road tax for the first year. No worry about any cost if something goes wrong. Peace of mind. Doesn't sound stoopid to me.

Footnote. Note sure I would buy a Stellantis car as they seem to have the same worrying news about them as VAG ie sinking in to loss making, job shedding and their future looks dodgy. I would pick another marque which is a shame as VW / SEAT / SKODA looks like they have finally made a good EV with the Epiq, Polo, Ravel. Too little too late.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by lol-lol

Negative prices for charging EV and home use 0930 to 1530 ie 6 hours of getting paid to charge EV, heat water, do washing, charge home batteries, yummy.

https://agile.octopushome.net/dashboard

All helps on the all up running cost.

4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Negative prices for charging EV and home use 0930 to 1530 ie 6 hours of getting paid to charge EV, heat water, do washing, charge home batteries, yummy.

https://agile.octopushome.net/dashboard

All helps on the all up running cost.

Haha, you're sounding like a right old Ebenezer guy 😁

8 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Haha, you're sounding like a right old Ebenezer guy 😁

Look after the pennies and the hundreds of thousands will look after themselves. (As long as you do some intelligent tax planning and tax avoidance, the legal one not evasion) !

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Nah there are C segment EV cars for a lot less than multiples of £150. For example.. (Was out some months ago but the deals do rotate across Stellantis cars).

Not sure about D segment cars as great monthly payment deals which also have incredibly low running costs ie total cost of ownership all up per month. Under £300 a month i would expect. The good deals come and go.

Examples please of a D-Segment large SUV EV with low deposit and low / no final payment that doesn't come with a double figure interest rate?

I'm struggling to find anything like the offers you suggest are out there... eg a typical PCP on a low spec second hand 4 year old Enyaq with about 40k miles on the clock seems to come in at about £300 per month with an up-front payment of £3k, a final payment of £6k (if you want to keep the car) and over 10% interest, meaning paying almost £5k in interest on a £17k car with potentially nothing to show at the end... In my book that's stupid?

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Nah there are C segment EV cars for a lot less than multiples of £150. For example.. (Was out some months ago but the deals do rotate across Stellantis cars).

Not sure about D segment cars as great monthly payment deals which also have incredibly low running costs ie total cost of ownership all up per month. Under £300 a month i would expect. The good deals come and go.

Last 2 Skodas I and family have had have been money pit. One diesel Fabia and one petrol Fabia. Thousand pound fixes for thermostats / water pumps, timing chains etc. Regular expensive servicing, two or three times the cost I now pay for the EV servicing. No MOTs, cheap road tax for the first year. No worry about any cost if something goes wrong. Peace of mind. Doesn't sound stoopid to me.

Footnote. Note sure I would buy a Stellantis car as they seem to have the same worrying news about them as VAG ie sinking in to loss making, job shedding and their future looks dodgy. I would pick another marque which is a shame as VW / SEAT / SKODA looks like they have finally made a good EV with the Epiq, Polo, Ravel. Too little too late.

1 hour ago, skomaz said:

Examples please of a D-Segment large SUV EV with low deposit and low / no final payment that doesn't come with a double figure interest rate?

I'm struggling to find anything like the offers you suggest are out there... eg a typical PCP on a low spec second hand 4 year old Enyaq with about 40k miles on the clock seems to come in at about £300 per month with an up-front payment of £3k, a final payment of £6k (if you want to keep the car) and over 10% interest, meaning paying almost £5k in interest on a £17k car with potentially nothing to show at the end... In my book that's stupid?

You would not pay much more for a new one and probably save on repairs.

Skoda are doing 2.9% interest rate and £4k contribution currently.

Banks are offering finance at 5.9% APR. Some of these deal on cars of a few years old are just horrendous.

Dealers are desperate to get EV sales done in Q4 to avoid the £15k per car penalty for not selling enough ie the mandated percentage of EVs.

They will bend over double together the sale are deals area better than getting a car a few years old I have found.

Got my 5 on 0% APR, extra £1k discount, service contract for £9 a month. Currently paying £85 a month but had to put down an £8k deposit as Renault went from 30% to 40% to qualify for 0% APR but just i needed to move part of my tax free lump sum or pay tax on the interest it would have earnt so easy decesion.

Currently paying 4.9% on my Scenic PCP which i thought was painfully when BoE interest rates were falling but now the world is in turmoil with the consequences of high oil prices 4.9% does not sound so bad.

Still i would like to change my 2 year old Scenic as the model is substantially better. LFP battery so can charge to 100% all the time. 7 KWh more battery capacity, much cheaper batterues meaning the car should be undef £30k and under quite a bit under £400 pm with no deposit. If finance offer was 5.9 % or more might be a bit of a depisot in but it all should be less than I am paying now as EVs tend to get cheaper every year to buy and even cheaper to run.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by lol-lol

I didn't ask about your personal circumstances I asked for specific examples...???

Right... A new base spec enyaq on PCP... £7.5k customer deposit plus £4k contribution, 48 months at £385 per month with another £13.5k to pay at the end to actually own the car and have something at the end of all those payments...

2.9% interest rate

Hardly £150 a month with minimal up front or final costs.

Edited 40 minutes ago40 min by skomaz

5 minutes ago, skomaz said:

I didn't ask about your personal circumstances I asked for specific examples...???

As I said anyone paying 10% interest rate is stoopid or in a sad place.

I illustrated the alternatives of paying large amounts of compound interest by using the manufacturer's generous/ desperate schemes or a bank just not a crappy finance deal where you are paying £5k interest as well as not having the manufactures 3 / 5 / 7 /8 warranty. One route is smart ie bew is smart, other route, not so much when compared.

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

As I said anyone paying 10% interest rate is stoopid or in a sad place.

I illustrated the alternatives of paying large amounts of compound interest by using the manufacturer's generous/ desperate schemes or a bank just not a crappy finance deal where you are paying £5k interest as well as not having the manufactures 3 / 5 / 7 /8 warranty. One route is smart ie bew is smart, other route, not so much when compared.

I agree but that new Enyaq quote that you seem to have ignored was at 2.9% not 10%...

Edited 39 minutes ago39 min by skomaz

8 minutes ago, skomaz said:

I agree but that new Enyaq quote that you seem to have ignored was at 2.9% not 10%...

OK and with the 4k dealer contribution and all the benefits of having a new car ie warranty, lower starting road tax. Offer of cheap servicing deal it looks to be the better choice and the one I continually make ie new over a car of a few years old.

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17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

OK and with the 4k dealer contribution and all the benefits of having a new car ie warranty, lower starting road tax. Offer of cheap servicing deal it looks to be the better choice and the one I continually make ie new over a car of a few years old.

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But not one most people can afford just on a whim or with immediate effect just because petrol and diesel prices have gone up for a few months...

You really don't get the fact that many people are not in your privileged position... I do and can sympathise.

Edited 4 minutes ago4 min by skomaz