Hi, 

Looking at changing the oil and filter on the wife's 1.0 turbo Scala, mileage is about 3.5k last time I looked.

 

Upon removing the oil filler cap I see the oil filler neck is partially blocked off thus making it difficult I would of thought to fill with fresh oil.

 

Perhaps somone could advise, I have looked online for an answer but have found nothing.

 

Thank you

 

Ian 

 

The oil in liquid form will actually go into the engine if you remove the filler cap and carefully pour.  Use a funnel maybe.

That really is as it is designed to be topped up with oil.

 

Maybe best look at a Youtube video.  

 

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Do you know how to reset the Service Indicator?

Has the car had any other servicing done to it in 2 years?

Are you going to look at the pollen filter, maybe clean that if not repacing.

Are the brakes going to get any attention?

Edited 22 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

Yeah its a pain, you need a very small funnel and it'll squeeeze past the restriction, otherwise at some point you'll pour a tad too much and it'll spill over the engine then drip on someone's lovely new block paved drive and cause a bit of bother. I got a set of 3 small orange funnels from somewhere (probably toolstation) and they work a treat - on of em fits. On the sump plug front if its like the Octavia it's plastic and large so dont look for a nut. 

Hi  Guys 

Thanks for responding, TBH I'm a qualified vehicle engineer. I'm 57 in January and I've worked on all manner of vehicles since I was about 16 years old.

 

The oil filler neck thing confused me as I have never seen that before, I have an electric vehicle oil pump which can suck oil out from the dipstick tube, I've never used it for that though, I might refill via the dipstick tube though from a fresh 4 litre oil container. I might report back on how that goes with pics if anyone is interested.

 

I will give the car a good check over but TBH it's like new, mileage is low at just 3,500 ish miles, it's hardly used, the brakes and discs are as new, I won't be taking the wheels off at this point, just an oil and filter change and perhaps check the AC, if it needs a service I can do that as I'm F Gas certified and I have my own equipment for 1234yf refrigerant. I did have a look on YouTube but could not find anything, it seems kind of silly to block of the oil filler neck IMHO. I was in a Honda workshop recently and the tech removed the old engine oil using the suction pipe down the dipstick tube. Not my cup of tea that but it's one way of doing it I suppose.

I'll have a look and see how to reset the service indicator, there is nothing on the dash saying the car needs a service though, I'm doing this as I can see the oil is just on the turn from golden to a slight hint of brown and I consider as its the vehicles first oil and filter change it's a good idea to get it done. 😀 

25 minutes ago, lockesboy said:

I might refill via the dipstick tube though from a fresh 4 litre oil container. I might report back on how that goes

Slowly I'd have thought.  

I think most VAG engines have had this design for several years now.

 

First cover around the open oil filler with a couple of layers of absorbent kitchen paper towel to catch any accidental spills.

 

Use an empty one litre oil bottle. Decant 0.75 litre from the 4 or 5 litre container into the empty 1 litre bottle ( empty castrol edge 1 litre bottles have a nice wide opening ) then its dead easy to get the bottle neck close over the filler opening and slowly fill without surging. Obviously aim at the open part not covered by the plastic splash back, and take your time. Provided you don't rush it, even if oil goes over the plastic guard, it will run down into the engine without overflowing and spilling.

 

How you hold the bottle is important too, twist the bottle round and keep the neck of the bottle high, to eliminate possibility of oil gulping out.

 

Repeat, keeping tally of the total poured. Stop when you're about a litre short, check the dipstick, and add a bit at a time, checking and stop when you're half way up the hatched area on the stick.

 

Close the filler. Start and run the engine to fill the oil filter etc for about a couple of minutes. Stop the engine and give it a couple of minutes then recheck dipstick, topping up to half way. Then go for a run to heat the engine up , park on the level, stop the engine, and after 5 minutes recheck the oil level and top up as necessary. Do not go above the hatched area. I personally prefer to keep the oil level about 3/4 up the hatched area. Especially if the engine has been installed on the p!ss as seems to be common practice in Skoda.

 

Don't attempt to fill straight from a 4 or 5 litre container, the oil will inevitably surge out uncontrollably as air gulps back into the container. And its too heavy to hold steadily.

 

Don't think a funnel would help at all as it can't go very far into the filler so you'd have to hold it with one hand, recipe for disaster!

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20214 yr by xman

Thanks Xman,

I will have a fresh look at it in early January. I might remove the rocker cover and drill a 10 mm hole bang in the centre of the oil filler neck obstruction so that a normal sized funnel would fit. That would solve the problem I think or use my electric oil pump and refill through the dip stick hole.

 

I'll let you all know how I get on and I'll include a few pics for you.

 

I'm working in Dubdee today so I'm going to pop into the VW  workshop and ask the techs there how they do it. I'm working at Mazda which is right next door and oddly Mazda and VW share the same workshop.

 

I will report back later this evening hopefully with news....

Why not have the dealer to do it 

Well, in short  as I'm more than qualified for the job and I do this sort of thing almost daily I might as well just do it myself.

 

If I do the job myself I know its done right and the car has been treated with respect.

 

I work in the industry and every day I see jobs half done and a total disregard for customers cars. It's actually quite shocking sometimes what goes on TBH.

 

@lockesboy

They can check down at Barnetts VW on the system if there are any Software Updates due on the car even if they tell you on the desk they are VW and not Skoda.

 

If you were near the Kingsway then there is Skoda Specialist cars (&SEAT)

 

The car came with VW508 00 oil, so 0w 20 FS IV, 

are you going to use the same as recommended or VW504 00,  5w 30 FS III or 0w 30 FS III ?

Hi mate, 

I know the garages opposite Asda, seat and skoda...

 

OK so the low down dirty is that you don't fill via the oil filler cap...normally.

 

You take out the torx 30 camshaft sensor and put your funnel in the hole.and fill that way.

 

You can fill via the oil filler neck but you have to go really slow if you want to do it that way. The techs though remove the camshaft sensor and fill with approx 4 litres of oil.

 

VAG do not approve of draining or filling via the dipstic tube ...so you have to drain from the sump as normal.

 

I hope that helps somone out a bit who's looking for answers on how to fill the 1.0 turbo  engine 

 

Everyone...have a great Christmas,  I hope santa 🎅  is good to you.

 

Peace and love to all..

 

Ian

8 minutes ago, lockesboy said:

You take out the torx 30 camshaft sensor and put your funnel in the hole.and fill that way.

Neat idea, thanks for sharing. 

@lockesboy

I wonder when the VW Group stopped approving of sucking out oil and when Barnetts VW Dundee stopped doing it.

 

 

Drain off or suction off engine oil.doc

I was told today..

VAG no longer approve of sucking oil out as it can leave undue residue in the bottom of the sump. 

The drain plug must be removed and old oil drained.

To refill the 1.0 turbo engine, remove the camshaft sensor and refill using a funnel.

 

Barnetts do not suck the old oil out.

 

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20214 yr by lockesboy

It was H&S and oil change at operating temp.

& the sump plug was removed and the last oil drained. Done at various VW / Skoda / SEAT / Audi Dealers in Dundee and nationwide.

 

Oil Extractor unit VAS 6622   

Surprised really that they are saying it is not still used in dip stick tubes.

Or was.

Edited 23 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

Sump plug removed after sucking out the oil at places that failed to read the "or" in the instructions...

They were asked often enough why they were charging for Sump Plugs if they were not replacing them.

They were insistent that they did change the sump plugs and were not fraudulently charging for plugs and taking VAT for something not used.

Same with Washer Fluid they never supplied.

 

 

 

They will say what they feel like and do what they feel like, I have come across 2 vehicles where the owners had been charged for new sump plugs & washers on every service for 5+ years yet when I try to remove the undertray the 2 6mm threaded fasteners that go into the crossmember were corroded solid and sheared of despite my being very patient going backwards and forwards with penetrating oil, they had never been removed since fitted at the factory, nor had the drain plug, not one single drip of oil had ever dribbled across the sump bottom.

 

I use suction now because I can also suck out a considerable volume of oil from the oil filter housing/oil cooler and the port to the pump that would otherwise remain there.

Suction out engine oil then put car on ramp, remove undertray, remove sump plug & refit new one, refit undertray, lower car from ramp, all so they can charge for a sump plug.

 

The only thing bigger than their inventiveness/crookedness is peoples gullibility!

I'll just say that I've worked at Barnetts as required for over 3 years and I've never seen anyone sucking oil out, even today the oil daleks were in constant use the time I was there. They do appear to be draining oil the old fashioned way. 

 

Each to their own eh...for me it's the old fashioned oil drain via the sump plug and fill through camshaft sensor hole. I actually spoke to 3 techs today.

@lockesboyWhen was that?

Were you there when Hyundai was next door?   You might have serviced my Skoda's then if you did.

Ah, I don't do that, TBH I can't remember Hyundai, I never worked for them.

 

I've worked for VW & Mazda for about 3 or 4 years.

 

I bumped into a pal of mine that now works at the Nissan side on servicing, he used to work for Western Nissan. I always struggled to get paid from Western group so I dropped them last year.

 

 

It was when Hyundai was there that i did work for VW Group on warranty claims on paint. 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

Washer Fluid they never supplied

Well, the twice my car was serviced by a Skoda dealer, I found a part bottle of VAG washer fluid in the boot.

@KenONeill

As it should be when you are charged for a bottle of washer fluid & charged VAT.

 

The member that posted the other day that they were charged for the fluid but put the car in full should have asked for 2 bottles from them for trying it on 

and taking the cost of something not supplied and charging  20% VAT as well which they pocket. 

 

I have just picked up something in the past and said i will take this thanks unless you want to refund me double like Tesco do when they wrongly charge you. 

It is taking money by false pretences.

 

There are those that do it by mistake but there are others that do it on a regular basis.

Edited 23 December, 20214 yr by roottoot