So first thing firstly I don’t drive a Skoda at the moment I have an a3 with the 1.5 dada engine and a manual box. Don’t judge me! It was cheaper than a golf or Leon and so with so few of the scala about it’s what I ended up with. It’s approved used and has some 12 months warranty left.
 

sure enough it has a kangaroo issue that and after a bit of research on here I persuaded the dealer iwas an issue. They reluctantly agreed and the software fix was applied. I really can’t say it’s made much improvement. It’s drivable by either thrashing it through first and second or slipping the clutch way more than normal. Neither is ideal and it’s just not pleasant to drive in any kind of traffic. I’ve had manual cars for 25 years and love them.
 

Im lucky enough to have an old university friend who was very senior in a large aftermarket diagnostic software provider. It’s big enough VAG buy data on vehicles failing after the warranty period from them. I was whining about the car and the dealership to him over Christmas .

 

He basically explained it won’t be fixed. To do so would likely require changing fuelling enough to require re testing for the wltp emissions etc. I.e so expensive plus minus compensation for customer and an admission of design failure they won’t bother - hence it is a characteristic and they loose a few customers

 

He did say it would be easier for a remapping firm to fix and they don’t have the same constraints. 

 

I’ve been looking for a reputable firm to remap the car and recently saw Revo now have one available. Their marketing blurb talks about a ‘quirky ‘ flat spot being fixed. I didn’t read about the performance as I frankly don’t care

 

My question is has anyone taken the plunge with Revo and is the car more pleasant  to drive?

 

Thanks 

Welcome.

Someone that has had theirs remapped might be along.

Reading here until they are.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/509796-octavia-15-tsi-stage-2

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/474324-15-tsi-remap

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/489448-sportline-15-tsi-engine-tunermap

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/471197-15-tsi-evo-remap

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/501075-15tsi-dsg-remapping-risks

 

Thanks Toot. 
looks like I’m not the only one .

 

I have had cars remapped before including a 1.9 vrs Fabia which was great. I get that it is a small gamble if the remap pushes the bhp. My experience with insurance is that they only add a small extra charge. I have only heard good things about Revo. Shame they didn’t do a simple drivability map with little to no extra power. After dieselgate my wife’s Tiguan was ‘updated’ without our permission during a service. One egr later we had the old original map put back by a mapping firm. I called the insurance provider and they told me as long as the mapped power was within 10 percent they would not charge. 
 

I may give Revo a call on Monday and ask a bit more 

 

 

 

 

Remapping is great, but with a 1.5 TSI ACT i would be buying an extended warranty and look at the price of the Cam Belt replacement if you are going to have that done at 5 years old. Rather expensive.

 

Maybe stick with good servicing, spark plugs, oil and filters and running 99 ron min E5 fuel and a valid warranty.

Edited 2 April, 20232 yr by toot

Certainly good suggestions I will ask them if the map can be tweaked for 95 or 99 I don’t want the hassle of having to reliably access 99. My experience with a bmw was that only half a tank of 95 and the knock sensor would retard the timing and then took 2 tanks of 99 to revert completely. Needing to run 99 would be a dealbreaker. 

 

im pretty sure and warranty company worth its salt will find a map. I’m not sure if Revo overlays the flash count but I will ask. 

 

good point re the timing belt. It’s interesting that when I spoke to my independent VAG specialist who I have used for years in preference to main dealerships - they had just bought the expensive kit for the timing belts. It does look very complex with computerised actuators. Not a diy job! They also took a look on the official vag service site they have a license for and the 5 year date seem like a dealership thing he said the recommendation was mileage only and suggested I left alone but that he would take my cash if I insisted!

The remap invalidates ant Warranty.

I think 1.5 TSI's and then cars with DQ381 DSG's really need a valid warranty. 

 

As for the Superchips warranty, well,

read the T&C's and decide. Barge pole as far as i am concerned.

 

PS

Not so much the 95, it is the being E10. 

 Plenty 97 ron E5 about if there is a Sainsbury's.     

The higher octane can help a 1.5 TSI that has a bit of a kangerooing issue even with VW Groups software update.

Edited 2 April, 20232 yr by toot

Thanks for the fuel info

 

might try running a couple of tanks of vpower and see how it responds 

If there is a Tesco nearby i would go Tesco Momentum 99. (minimum 99 ron)

& oop north it will still maybe be the Winter Formulation in the tanks just now & for another few weeks. 

(Same with Shell though and the others.)

Edited 2 April, 20232 yr by toot

Hi.

If you have any issues with insurance at all for a re-map then please feel free to drop me a line.

Regards,

Dan.

Thanks Dan

On 02/04/2023 at 15:38, Rooted said:

The remap invalidates ant Warranty.

I think 1.5 TSI's and then cars with DQ381 DSG's really need a valid warranty. 

 

As for the Superchips warranty, well,

read the T&C's and decide. Barge pole as far as i am concerned.

 

PS

Not so much the 95, it is the being E10. 

 Plenty 97 ron E5 about if there is a Sainsbury's.     

The higher octane can help a 1.5 TSI that has a bit of a kangerooing issue even with VW Groups software update.

 

Hi, found that Kangaroo is related to the exhaust camshaft advance/retard when the engine is cold/when preheating the catalitic converter.

 

It is because the ea211evo does not have a physical EGR, everything was made with the inlet/exhaust valve overlap in order to decrease NOx.

 

So don't ask for the usual power remap (with the lambda and timing advance, like all do), ask instead for the exhaust camshaft tweak at low RPM and low driver demand (for less overlap with the inlet).

 

SSP-253 info there, you can also check by yourself with a tester.

Edited 28 February, 20241 yr by cri1410sti

That is great.  But the Safety Critical Recall is in place in the UK for those possibly affected and this could have been done. Or the other 2 patches attempted by some.   If people want to find someone that can resolve issues if there are still ones then great.   What a pity that VW that had the engineers and software engineers and were the biggest car manufacturer in the world never just fixed them but leave people to DIY.       If someone has a warranty or an extended warranty I would protect it.  2018 vehicles now being 6 years old and if VW 🏀 ed up then they still are responsible for 🍋,s. 

On 28/02/2024 at 10:12, cri1410sti said:

 

Hi, found that Kangaroo is related to the exhaust camshaft advance/retard when the engine is cold/when preheating the catalitic converter.

 

It is because the ea211evo does not have a physical EGR, everything was made with the inlet/exhaust valve overlap in order to decrease NOx.

 

So don't ask for the usual power remap (with the lambda and timing advance, like all do), ask instead for the exhaust camshaft tweak at low RPM and low driver demand (for less overlap with the inlet).

 

SSP-253 info there, you can also check by yourself with a tester.

 

attached 1 file with the exhaust retard, sorry for the language 

 

Kangaroo-15tsi-dpca-ecu-v1910.pdf

On 01/03/2024 at 10:30, cri1410sti said:

 

attached 1 file with the exhaust retard, sorry for the language 

 

Kangaroo-15tsi-dpca-ecu-v1910.pdf 448.85 kB · 5 downloads

 

It just goes to show that with that knowledge 2 decades on the VW Engineers tried to get the WLTP Certification not taking that into account.

 

Vorsprung Durch Technik and just try whatever you think you might get away with. 

Even further back in 1988 when I worked at an automotive consultancy the engine management engineers knew that they had to have two phases to their tuning:

 

Phase 1: get the engine to run correctly and delivering good power, torque AND drivability

 

Phase 2: sacrifice the drivability to pass the emissions testing requirements

 

starting catalyst pre-heating (see spark delay + exhaust/inlet overlap, lean mixture)

 

 

catalyst pre-heating after 30 seconds from engine start (see spark delay + exhaust/inlet overlap, lean mixture)

 

 

 

at ~1 min after engine start, catalyst at working temp, (spark advance, no inlet/exhaust overlap, perfect lambda)- from here there will/should not  be  kangaroo

 

 

22 minutes ago, cri1410sti said:

starting catalyst pre-heating (see spark delay + exhaust/inlet overlap, lean mixture)

 

 

catalyst pre-heating after 30 seconds from engine start (see spark delay + exhaust/inlet overlap, lean mixture)

 

 

 

at ~1 min after engine start, catalyst at working temp, (spark advance, no inlet/exhaust overlap, perfect lambda)- from here there will/should not  be  kangaroo

 

 

 

+valve overlap

 

So we are supposed to wait 1 minute before driving?

This TPI is for Dealership staff to try and have Euro 6 1.2TSI,s that run crap on start up believing that is perfectly normal.

14 hours ago, Blue8793841 said:

So we are supposed to wait 1 minute before driving?

yes, 1min or until your idle is below 800rpm

 

13 hours ago, Ootohere said:

This TPI is for Dealership staff to try and have Euro 6 1.2TSI,s that run crap on start up believing that is perfectly normal.

 

 

for VW everything is normal, 

 

so VW did not care about the driveability, they forced the CO2 figures, so it is all about $$$

 

my warranty ends in ~6 months, i can tell 110% that i will have a custom remap,

 

will fix the kangaroo (spark+fuel in the catalyst pre-hearing mode) and will add 1-2% more fuel in the engine warmup mode and also in normal mode.

 

i will not get more hp, it has enough, it will just work as it should.

 

 

Well that's no good a waste of fuel and time 😠

On 14/06/2024 at 23:43, Blue8793841 said:

Well that's no good a waste of fuel and time 😠

i can assure you that 1% is no waste of fuel. this is the exact fuel that was cut by the vw engineers to get better co2 figures.

 

9 hours ago, cri1410sti said:

i can assure you that 1% is no waste of fuel. this is the exact fuel that was cut by the vw engineers to get better co2 figures.

 

1 percent of lambda is about 6 percent of fuel.